1st Third (2009) Season Review

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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #16
    Re: 1st Third (2009) Season Review

    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
    I will try to put some fire of on the review.

    Can we still make top 4 and what do we need to do? Because the first 8 games don't look like a top 4 team.
    It's an interesting question, because it depends on what you mean by a 'top 4 team'. In the most pedantic sense, top 4 is a position relative to where everyone else is that year, so if the standard is pretty low or even across the board then 'top 4' may not actually need to be that good. If you're talking about a generic 'top 4' SENSE, then we know that we're talking about a certain quality of team.

    The reality is, in the pedantic definition of 'top 4', we ARE a top 4 team because, well, we're sitting in a top 4 position, and have been every week this year bar one.

    In the second sense of the word, this is a strange season up till now because the top 2 have pulled away and there is a huge lump of teams from 3rd to 10th or so that are within a win of each other, so one might argue that there's not a whole lot of difference in terms of quality.

    Yet, the fact that we've managed to hold on to 3rd spot for 7 out of 8 weeks tells me that it's not a fluke -- we may be doing just enough, but no one is doing any better.

    If the question is 'do we look likely premiers', then I have to agree that the top two look just that bit better at the moment, but our game against the Cats this Friday - regardless of if we win or lose - will go some way to telling us exactly where we are in terms of quality.

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    • hujsh
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2007
      • 11848

      #17
      Re: 1st Third (2009) Season Review

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
      I will try to put some fire of on the review.

      Can we still make top 4 and what do we need to do? Because the first 8 games don't look like a top 4 team.
      You do realize we're 3rd?
      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34289

        #18
        Re: 1st Third (2009) Season Review

        Originally posted by hujsh
        You do realize we're 3rd?
        Yes. On percentage. But my point remains the same as the post aove yours very philosophically explains.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • LostDoggy
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8307

          #19
          Re: 1st Third (2009) Season Review

          Our 5 wins have come from the 5 bottom sides. Not a great stat. I'm usually very/overly optimistic about the Dogs but I don't honestly see how we can beat Geelong or St Kilda if they play anywhere near their best. Luckily for us the premiership isn't won in May. As long as we make top 4, we are a chance. The way the finals system works, you only have to be the best team on the day (Geelong were 21-1 in the H&A season last year, and lost the GF).

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          • Mitcha
            Draftee
            • Mar 2009
            • 728

            #20
            Re: 1st Third (2009) Season Review

            Guys, agreed that we haven't played consistently good footy this season but we are sitting third with a 5-3 record. There is still plenty of upside with some prime movers still regaining match fitness and form after restricted pre-seasons. The club internally during the pre season said that if we can get to the mid season break at 6 and 6 they would be happy considering the tough draw in the first half of the season. We at the moment are only one win off achieving that and are expected to come home well with only one interstate trip in the last nine games. Personally I would rather be having our supposed form slump now than what has happened in previous years coming into the finals not playing our best footy. Thoughts?

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #21
              Re: 1st Third (2009) Season Review

              Originally posted by Mitcha
              Guys, agreed that we haven't played consistently good footy this season but we are sitting third with a 5-3 record. There is still plenty of upside with some prime movers still regaining match fitness and form after restricted pre-seasons. The club internally during the pre season said that if we can get to the mid season break at 6 and 6 they would be happy considering the tough draw in the first half of the season. We at the moment are only one win off achieving that and are expected to come home well with only one interstate trip in the last nine games. Personally I would rather be having our supposed form slump now than what has happened in previous years coming into the finals not playing our best footy. Thoughts?
              Hi Mitcha. Mostly agree with this, but echoes of 2007 still resonate, where we were pretty ordinary in the first half of the year but grinding wins out, then just fell away badly in the second half of the season and barely won a single game, as I'm sure we all remember.

              This season has an eeriely similar feeling -- we are assuming that we will 'burst out of the blocks' in the second half of the season, but I'm not so sure, especially if you look at our last 6 games at Etihad, which will all be very, very tough games, and we haven't really shown all that much form yet this season, and Coons, Welsh and Murph (all crucial players) have all had interrupted pre-seasons.

              If we can win most of those last six (Saints, Freo, Brisbane, West Coast, Geelong, Collingwood) we would be a genuine finals contender, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that we lose them all (like 2007), and limp into the 8 (if we make it at all).

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              • azabob
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 15332

                #22
                Re: 1st Third (2009) Season Review

                Originally posted by Lantern
                Hi Mitcha. Mostly agree with this, but echoes of 2007 still resonate, where we were pretty ordinary in the first half of the year but grinding wins out, then just fell away badly in the second half of the season and barely won a single game, as I'm sure we all remember.

                This season has an eeriely similar feeling -- we are assuming that we will 'burst out of the blocks' in the second half of the season, but I'm not so sure, especially if you look at our last 6 games at Etihad, which will all be very, very tough games, and we haven't really shown all that much form yet this season, and Coons, Welsh and Murph (all crucial players) have all had interrupted pre-seasons.

                If we can win most of those last six (Saints, Freo, Brisbane, West Coast, Geelong, Collingwood) we would be a genuine finals contender, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that we lose them all (like 2007), and limp into the 8 (if we make it at all).
                If and this is a big if, 2009 ends like 2007 what do they do from a coaching point of view? They have already cleaned out the footy department, or do they again stick tough?
                More of an In Bruges guy?

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