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  • Sockeye Salmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6365

    Re: Guy O'Keefe

    Originally posted by mighty_west
    Daniel "Party Boy" Hargraves certainly fits that bill.
    Interesting observation.

    There's a few simularities between Danny and GOK.

    I don't think Alan Joyce would have been too keen on GOK, either.

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    • Topdog
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7471

      Re: Guy O'Keefe

      Originally posted by Doc26
      Ernie, I do feel it's a little more complex than simply working your arse off and you have mentioned 'talent'. Assuming no voluntary retirements or players demanding to be traded there must be at least 3 players determined to be of least value or least potential value that must be let go. It is comparative to what you have on your list. Not saying that GOK did work his arse off (this I don't know) but maybe they all worked their arses off but the sum of his value comparative to others put him at the back end of the queue.
      I don't think it is that complex. If you are kicked out of the system after only 2 years 1 of 2 things has happened.

      1) You were a bad draft choice and obviously have no talent

      2) You didn't put in the necessary work to make it.

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      • Sockeye Salmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 6365

        Re: Guy O'Keefe

        Originally posted by Topdog
        I don't think it is that complex. If you are kicked out of the system after only 2 years 1 of 2 things has happened.

        1) You were a bad draft choice and obviously have no talent

        2) You didn't put in the necessary work to make it.

        No 1 didn't apply to GOK.

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        • Rocco Jones
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jun 2008
          • 6932

          Re: Guy O'Keefe

          Lynch vs GOK is an interesting one.

          Both have poor attitudes but at least GOK has performed in the VFL.

          The massive strength of Mal Lynch is that he offers the ability to play a valuable role as a small forward in the side rather than competing for a role in the midfield/running depth.

          I wonder if Eade would rate GOK's chances if he actually worked hard on his fitness or whether he believes he also lacks other tools to make it.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            Re: Guy O'Keefe

            Originally posted by Rocco Jones
            Lynch vs GOK is an interesting one.

            Both have poor attitudes but at least GOK has performed in the VFL.

            The massive strength of Mal Lynch is that he offers the ability to play a valuable role as a small forward in the side rather than competing for a role in the midfield/running depth.

            I wonder if Eade would rate GOK's chances if he actually worked hard on his fitness or whether he believes he also lacks other tools to make it.
            From what I know Lynch has made right and I don't know of him being a poor performer on the track ie finish at the tail.

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            • The Bulldogs Bite
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2006
              • 11246

              Re: Guy O'Keefe

              Lynch is still lucky. Reality is that besides a handful of games, he hasn't done a whole lot to warrant a position on the list. His role is a small forward but he doesn't kick a lot of goals and nor does he get his hands on the ball enough.

              He's quick and looks good when he's got the ball in his hands, but I am not so sure he's as talented as we want him/think of him to be.
              W00F!

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              • GVGjr
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 44638

                Re: Guy O'Keefe

                Originally posted by bigfella7
                From what I have heard:

                Welsh - ret
                Skipper - delist
                Wight - delist
                O'Shea - delist
                O'Keefe delist
                Shaw - rookie(delist)
                White - rookie(delist)
                Ogle - rookie (delist)
                I'm assuming that Daniels and Mulligan will be retained as rookies?

                It's interesting the way things pan out.

                From the draftees of a couple of years back, Grant, Ward, Reid, Wood, Boumann and O'Keefe I can't recall Ward and O'Keefe ever playing reserves football for Williamstown and yet the others guys all spent time in the magoos.
                Grant was lackluster in the last few rounds and got demoted and yet O'Keefe seemingly with his card stamped stayed in the senior side.

                I guess it really needs to be reinforced with the younger guys that their perceived attitude and work ethic can really work against them. That being said Lynch must grab this chance and make the most of it. Sooner or later his pace and athleticism won't be enough and he will need to rack up some good performances.

                For the rookies, I can't recall Mulligan playing a senior game for Williamstown but Shaw did and yet he is the one being de-listed. Mind you I think that is the right decision but once again it shows athleticism means more than actual runs on the board.
                Henry White battled his way into the senior side but it doesn't look like he will be retained on the rookie list.

                A few dreams would have been crushed today and some harsh life lessons would have hopefully been learned.
                Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  Re: Guy O'Keefe

                  Originally posted by GVGjr
                  A few dreams would have been crushed today and some harsh life lessons would have hopefully been learned.
                  That if you're fast or tall you have more rope to stuff up with?

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44638

                    Re: Guy O'Keefe

                    Originally posted by ErnieSigley
                    From what I know Lynch has made right and I don't know of him being a poor performer on the track ie finish at the tail.
                    Not sure I agree with that. I've seen him right at the back of runs in training sessions. He is more of a burst player though.
                    Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      Re: Guy O'Keefe

                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      Not sure I agree with that. I've seen him right at the back of runs in training sessions. He is more of a burst player though.
                      And someone has to be at the back of the pack. It's a statistical certainty. They would all still be fitter-than-average!

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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44638

                        Re: Guy O'Keefe

                        Originally posted by Lantern
                        That if you're fast or tall you have more rope to stuff up with?
                        I think there was a few more lessons than that, mainly perceived attitude and work ethic, but certainly there is more scope for being maintained on a list if you have a decent attitude, abundant pace and some height. Results on the field can be somewhat secondary.
                        It's clearly a lot more than just about results and runs on the board and that's not a bad lessons for younger players to acknowledge.
                        Teams will provide a bit more latitude once you have established yourself as a senior player but I'd hope that the likes of Cordy, Roughead and Jones look at the de-listing and realise that they need to stay focused and work hard or they could be next.
                        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                        • GVGjr
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 44638

                          Re: Guy O'Keefe

                          Originally posted by Lantern
                          And someone has to be at the back of the pack. It's a statistical certainty. They would all still be fitter-than-average!
                          I guess so though that's supposed to be for the bigger boys more than the midfielders.
                          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                          • Go_Dogs
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 10152

                            Re: Guy O'Keefe

                            Originally posted by GVGjr
                            Henry White battled his way into the senior side but it doesn't look like he will be retained on the rookie list.
                            Bit disappointing as by your reports from the B's it really started to click for him at the end of the year.
                            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                            • Sockeye Salmon
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6365

                              Re: Guy O'Keefe

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              I'm assuming that Daniels and Mulligan will be retained as rookies?
                              2nd year for Mulligan, he must be elevated or delisted.


                              My guesses.

                              Mulligan to be elevated.
                              Daniels to be retained as a rookie.

                              Lynch to be delisted and re-rookied.

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 44638

                                Re: Guy O'Keefe

                                Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                                2nd year for Mulligan, he must be elevated or delisted.


                                My guesses.


                                Mulligan to be elevated.
                                Daniels to be retained as a rookie.

                                Lynch to be delisted and re-rookied.
                                Wasn't there some talk that the AFL had relaxed that rule allowing for rookies to be maintained on the list for 3 years?
                                Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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