Barry Hall

[Dry Rot]

Re: Barry Hall

From reading another forum, Swans fans are unable to explain his brain explosions of the last few years.

Other folk have made excellent points here both ways about his fitness, longevity etc and what he would add to us, but I just can't see how we will turn around his on-field lack of discipline and explosions where the Swans couldn't.

[Bornadog]

Re: Barry Hall

What has that got to do with anything?
Has his age stopped him from kicking goals? No
Is he injury prone as a result of his age? No

Age has plenty to do with it, do I have to spell it out?

He will be 33 years old in February next year, not many 33 year old athletes playing the way they did at say 25. I would prefer to give Grant, Roughhead, Boumann a go at FF.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Barry Hall

. Moreover, it seems like this discussion might be of no use anyway - given that he's indicated publically that he is done with football ...

Didn't he also recently say that he's not quitting the Swans? Don't believe a word he says!

[Desipura]

Re: Barry Hall

Age has plenty to do with it, do I have to spell it out?

He will be 33 years old in February next year, not many 33 year old athletes playing the way they did at say 25. I would prefer to give Grant, Roughhead, Boumann a go at FF.

Lets retire everyone over 30 then
Boumann has to get a regular game for Williamstown 1sts before he will be considered.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Barry Hall

We saw that Welsh had some footy left in him, and he has been breat for us, but i think this is his last year. No other club was interested for one reason or another.

Same with Hall. He has some good footy in him, Eade has been the best coach of him i think, if he wants a shot at redemption, is fit, costs a 4th rounder and an incentive contract. What have we really got to loose.

Otherwise Cordy and Grant get Scarlett and Harley- or Johno and Hall get them and Grant and Cordy have lesser smaller players to get up to speed with.

Welsh for Hall is not a bad idea.

I know a lot of this is hope for the best. But what is the worst case scenario. We use the very last pick on our list on a guy who gets suspended and doesnt get paid whilst he's suspended. I don't see we have that much to loose. Hardly a decision to take a drug user, bikies mate who brought the game into disrepute. I just don't see what we have to lose, i think we have a lot more to gain if anything.

[Scraggers]

Re: Barry Hall

I voted no, then read all the posts ... I still say no

I think we have done a lot of work over the last couple of years to construct a game that does not need a power lead-up forward. To take Hall now would undo all this effort and change our structure completely.

I voted no because I don't think we need him ... not this year or next

[AndrewP6]

Re: Barry Hall

I voted no, then read all the posts ... I still say no

I think we have done a lot of work over the last couple of years to construct a game that does not need a power lead-up forward. To take Hall now would undo all this effort and change our structure completely.

I voted no because I don't think we need him ... not this year or next

Rocket has said numerous times we work the way we do because we don't have a power forward... we don't do it in preference to having one. He's said if one were around, we'd love to have them...

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Barry Hall

No-one else will touch him, so he will cost us our last spot on the list and demand fairly little cash.

The questions are:

1. Will he provide better value than the kid we would pick up at number 50 of a weakened draft?
2. Will he upset team dynamics?
3. Will he help or stiffle the development of our young forwards?
4. Is there a spot in our side for him?


My answers are:
1. Definately. More often than not, that far down the draft the kid you wanted at pick 50 is still available as a rookie anyway eg. Jarrod Harbrow, James Mulligan.
2. Not off-field, apparently
3. Would help them I would imagine.
4. If Scott Welsh retires (Welsh also tends to miss a lot of games anyway)

[comrade]

Re: Barry Hall

I voted no, then read all the posts ... I still say no

I think we have done a lot of work over the last couple of years to construct a game that does not need a power lead-up forward. To take Hall now would undo all this effort and change our structure completely.

I voted no because I don't think we need him ... not this year or next

I’m not sure our structure will suddenly fall apart with the inclusion of Hall, especially if Welsh retires at the end of the year.

He’s always been at his best when leading directly at the ball carrier and ploughing through anyone that gets in his way – perfect for our precision, run and gun style.

The fact that he is also very good contested mark means he could potentially be the bail out option if our midfield does get stifled (not just in finals) and we need a bigger target.

Going by his performances this year, he’s in better physical condition than Welsh and there’s no real danger of deterioration because he’s stated he’ll continue to train and he won’t be copping knocks every week.

You give offer him a year to redeem himself and go out in style. Grant sits in a pocket next to him, Cordy and Jones play a couple of games – they take 3rd or 4th string defenders, while Barry and Johnno (or Hahn/Hill/Aker/Higgins) take the opposition’s best.

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: Barry Hall

I picked no.

Basically because i'm not convinced he's the type of player that will compliment our side.
Sure he could be a good forward option, and we all want that romantic ideal of a tall forward in the side, however i just think it would be at the expense of the rest of the side.

To me it would change the way we move the ball forward, we might develop blinkers for BH when going forward, and when it doesn't work you can't hide him or move him into a different role. I don't think he'd like going to bench for a spell either.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Barry Hall

mmmmm - I think no at this stage. We don't really need him. Plus if he himself says he can't guarantee another 'brain fade' then why would you even entertain the thought?
I'd hate for the Barry Hall 'ego' to drag us down, I really believe that the Western Bulldogs are a team of pretty good boys. I mean really, how often do you hear of a Doggies player getting into strife - footy related or not. (a-la Hall, Fevola etc....)
Apart from Wills little brain fade last year, for which he immediatley apologised for - that's really last thing I can think of that made any kind of news in the media.
If Barry joined it'd just pull the boys focus away from where they are supposed to be.

[Bornadog]

Re: Barry Hall

Lets retire everyone over 30 then
Boumann has to get a regular game for Williamstown 1sts before he will be considered.

Did I say that? I don't think so. What I am saying is I don't want to recruit any one over 33 to the club and waste a pick and send the wrong message to our young talls.

Barry Hall is a hot headed ageing footballer who Sydney no longer require and you say we should take him, no thank you we are not that desperate for a tall, otherwise we would have taken Thompson.

Boumann - I am talking future not this year.

and please don't roll your eyes at my opinions.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Barry Hall

To me it would change the way we move the ball forward, we might develop blinkers for BH when going forward, and when it doesn't work you can't hide him or move him into a different role. I don't think he'd like going to bench for a spell either.

Using that logic we shouldn't go after Pav, Jon Brown or Riewoldt or hope that Ayce or Grant develop into a star.

Boy, oh boy do people overrate the last spot on an AFL list.

[Drunken Bum]

Re: Barry Hall

Did I say that? I don't think so. What I am saying is I don't want to recruit any one over 33 to the club and waste a pick and send the wrong message to our young talls.

Barry Hall is a hot headed ageing footballer who Sydney no longer require and you say we should take him, no thank you we are not that desperate for a tall, otherwise we would have taken Thompson.

What message is it sending to our younger talls?

Hall and Thompson are two completely different scenarios, each case must be judged on its merits.

Just for the record i voted yes for reasons that have already been mentioned by many others, thepositives outnumber the negatives by a long long way when what it will cost us and our current situation is taken into consideration

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Barry Hall

To all the auto no to Hall types, are you at all looking at his stats? Seriously, he absolutely eats apart anything we have to offer as a KP forward for the next two years.

STILL taking contested marks at an elite rate
STILL looking a 60 goal a year forward
At the Swans he played in a forward line that wasn't all about him, he will be well used to our forward line considering he played in a multi option forward line with ROK and Micky O.

I think we can win a flag without a KP forward but boy does having one help. How often does our forward line fall apart against the gun sides?