What Changes round 10?

[Bornadog]

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I read some where that Grant will be playing for Werribee in the next week or two. Does this mean Harbrow goes back to Rookie or can we replace Monty with Harbrow?

[Dry Rot]

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IIRC Monty has retired, then no.

[Mantis]

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I'll have another look at the tape but how did you rate his performance otherwise?
I know you haven't been a fan of his but I thought he did enough to keep his position.

As BR has spoken about we have too many small forwards, all of them offer something different, but we cant play them all. One of Aker, Gia, Robbins and Higgins has to make way for a tall. Who do you drop?? Personally for me its Robbins, as discussed he is a leading player primarily, at under 6ft he leads to be a crumber primarily. He leads into other peoples space and he's forward pressure is a myth these days.

I think all the other have bigger upsides than Robbins, they may not kick as many goals as Robbins, but your worth to the team shouldn't only be based on goals that you kick. I was extremely disappointed that Robbins started last week ahead of Higgins. Robbins was a late inclusion, Higgins was coming off his most productive game and had earnt the right to start the game in my view.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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As BR has spoken about we have too many small forwards, all of them offer something different, but we cant play them all. One of Aker, Gia, Robbins and Higgins has to make way for a tall. Who do you drop?? Personally for me its Robbins, as discussed he is a leading player primarily, at under 6ft he leads to be a crumber primarily. He leads into other peoples space and he's forward pressure is a myth these days.

I think all the other have bigger upsides than Robbins, they may not kick as many goals as Robbins, but your worth to the team shouldn't only be based on goals that you kick. I was extremely disappointed that Robbins started last week ahead of Higgins. Robbins was a late inclusion, Higgins was coming off his most productive game and had earnt the right to start the game in my view.

As I see it Robbins plays closer to goal and is effective whilst Higgins does more work up the ground.

I personally think that Higgins should be the one to make way. I dont doubt his long term potential or that he would be back in the side shortly. But right now I just think he needs 4 quarters of football to build his endurance and fitness up and also work on his defensive side. He finished well against Collingwood, particularly in the second half but patches of his first half were dreadful, apart from the running goal, as he admitted after the game.

I dont think he is strong enough, getting enough of it, nor does enough defensively against the top teams.

I dont expect that many others will necessarily share my view but I still have very high hopes for him as a footballer but just think he still has a lot to learn - he's only played about 20 games of senior level footy be it AFL/VFL.

[GVGjr]

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One of Aker, Gia, Robbins and Higgins has to make way for a tall. Who do you drop?? Personally for me its Robbins, as discussed he is a leading player primarily, at under 6ft he leads to be a crumber primarily. He leads into other peoples space and he's forward pressure is a myth these days.

I think Gia is in some trouble at the moment and would be a candidate to be used off the bench more.
I also think you might be underestimating the defensive work Robbins does in the forward line but your analysis and summaries are excellent.

[Mantis]

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I think Gia is in some trouble at the moment and would be a candidate to be used off the bench more.
I also think you might be underestimating the defensive work Robbins does in the forward line but your analysis and summaries are excellent.

Along with BR I think we all are of agreeance that the forwardline structure needs some alterations. We have too many small options and obviously not enough talls, why we differ on who we want out, all 3 mentioned are quite possible exclusions from the team. The only thing that may brought into consideration is the expected crappy weather for Sunday's game. We may stick with a small forwardline this week, but I hope things are changed a bit when next we will play in dry conditions.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Along with BR I think we all are of agreeance that the forwardline structure needs some alterations. We have too many small options and obviously not enough talls, why we differ on who we want out, all 3 mentioned are quite possible exclusions from the team. The only thing that may brought into consideration is the expected crappy weather for Sunday's game. We may stick with a small forwardline this week, but I hope things are changed a bit when next we will play in dry conditions.

Agreed Mantis:

I'd like to see McDougall get another run, he only played two games and his second one against Adelaide was close to our worst performance of the year and he really had no chance to have any impact with our inability to deliver, and the crows flooding.

I think the four guys positions we are examing are: Giansiracusa, Ray, Robbins and Higgins. I've spoken about Higgins and Ray enough, and they're all talented players:

Giansiracusa to me just doesn't finish enough of his good work - and he's kind of neither an outside midfielder or completely an inside one, he's not really a full time midfielder and not really a full time forward, he's not really quick, or is he. I think he does more of the hard stuff than we as supporters notice but he's often a guy supporters look to blame.

Ray - You get glimpses with Fazza that he could be something really special, his combination of endurance, and agility along with those long arms and ability to stretch and take an overhead grab, often enable him to get a lot of shots on goal, if he finished/kicked more of those then he would be so damaging. He's clearly still learning the game and his defensive efforts have come a long way but he does tend to drop out of games completely. Can he win enough of his own ball?

[Bornadog]

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WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: McMahon, Harris, Morris
HB: Gilbee, Wight, Hargrave
C: Eagleton, S.West, Akermanis
HF: Giansiracusa, Johnson, Cooney
F: Robbins, Darcy, Higgins
FOLL: Street, Cross, Boyd
I/C from: Addison, Griffen, Hahn, Harbrow, Minson, Skipper, Power
IN: McMahon, Griffen, Harbrow, Minson, Skipper
OUT: Faulkner, Ray

[Bornadog]

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Based on the interchange bench, I think Addison and Hahn will hold their spots, Harbrow and Skipper may come in and Power dropped. According to the article posted by Southern, Griffen may not be risked.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Interesting that the axe fell on Ray. I was probably a bit harsh on Higgins - I went just as crazy as anyone when he kicked that running two bounce goal against Collingwood and discussed him as a prospect with no ceiling on what he could achieve.

Hard to see Harbrow coming into the team with Aka, Gia, Higgins already in it, but its hard to tell and I'd actually like to see him get a shot in this one - he might be very hard to catch in the wide open spaces of the G.

I thought Addison was very good and would be shocked if he was not selected.

I am wondering if this could be a 3 ruckman game? but maybe there is doubt over Darcy

[Mantis]

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I am wondering if this could be a 3 ruckman game? but maybe there is doubt over Darcy

I would think we may play 2 ruckman this week in Minson and Street and play Darcy as a permanent forward, If Darcy doesn't come up play Skipper as a forward. Carlton's ruck division is one of the poorest in the comp and we look to have a distinct advantage with Street. Lets hope he can win some clear taps to advantage to help with our centre clearance efficiency.

[Bornadog]

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I would think we may play 2 ruckman this week in Minson and Street and play Darcy as a permanent forward, If Darcy doesn't come up play Skipper as a forward. Carlton's ruck division is one of the poorest in the comp and we look to have a distinct advantage with Street. Lets hope he can win some clear taps to advantage to help with our centre clearance efficiency.

Unfortuantely Street came up against one of the best tap ruckman in the AFL last week and Jolly is pretty handy to. I don't think Minson will come in it may be Skippers turn.

With Harbrow, maybe Eade is thinking about pace if Griffen is held back a week.

[GVGjr]

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Unfortuantely Street came up against one of the best tap ruckman in the AFL last week and Jolly is pretty handy to. I don't think Minson will come in it may be Skippers turn.

With Harbrow, maybe Eade is thinking about pace if Griffen is held back a week.

I think there is some merit with bringing Skip in for this game to provide a more mobile option against Ackland. It will probably come down to the weather and conditions.

Not sure about Harbrow.

[Go_Dogs]

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Personally was a bit surprised to see Ray dropped as I thought he'd been OK the last few weeks...perhaps he isn't working hard enough in his run with roles yet or something? Not too sure, but a bit of a surprise.

Not to sure what we're doing with the line up at the moment to be honest. A few weird Ins too.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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I would think we may play 2 ruckman this week in Minson and Street and play Darcy as a permanent forward, If Darcy doesn't come up play Skipper as a forward. Carlton's ruck division is one of the poorest in the comp and we look to have a distinct advantage with Street. Lets hope he can win some clear taps to advantage to help with our centre clearance efficiency.

That was exactly what I thought:

Streets height and Minsons brute is a versatile combination that should really work over most opposition. Setanta would likely get Darcy so we would see that as a matchup we might be able to exploit

Did anyone hear Champs from coodabeens do 'Cloke on Setanta' to the tune of 'Smoke on the Water' a few weeks a go - classic stuff