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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34316

    It happened today.

    At 0.12, I cracked it. The sight of our premiership assault being finished before it began. I was embarassed and upset, as were all those around me, except an older gent behind me, who with his Footscray beanie, was very calm. I said something along the lines of "this team always finds a way to break your heart. For nearly 30 years, this is all i can remember". To which he responded very calmly to me, "well it's been 53 years for me and this always happens. Once you accept that this club will always do it to you, you wont get angry as you are getting".

    So i thought about this while we played pathetically. I was thinking about all the bulldogs people i'd come across who i thought were really negative and consigned to a dim fate, and that i thought it was just overly sensetive negativity. But the gent was right, be it in pre-lim finals when we've had opportunities, when Melbourne beat us a few years back in r.21 or today, this club just finds ways to break the hearts of members. And with that realisation and discussions, i realised i am too now one of these people consigned to fate. Sometimes you go through life and you can't put your finger on an event or time when things changed for you, when attitiudes or relationships changed. Today, 18 minutes into the second quarter, was the day when i went from footy eternal optimist to resigned to eing heart broken - with the result sealing the change.

    That said, i will keep paying my membership for life in he hope that things will one day change. God i hope i don't spend another few decades is this abyss, like all the members before me.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #2
    Re: It happened today.

    Chris Grants retirement speech, summed up the club to a tee.

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    • AndrewP6
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2009
      • 8142

      #3
      Re: It happened today.

      Hmm... interesting.

      As pessimistic as I am, the example St Kilda has set gives one some hope. Remember we easily beat them last season, and without drastic changes in personnel, they've totally transformed their game.

      I too was tempted to return my membership. But what would we do on the weekends?
      [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        #4
        Re: It happened today.

        Originally posted by AndrewP6
        Hmm... interesting.

        As pessimistic as I am, the example St Kilda has set gives one some hope. Remember we easily beat them last season, and without drastic changes in personnel, they've totally transformed their game.

        I too was tempted to return my membership. But what would we do on the weekends?
        That's St Kilda.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • AndrewP6
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2009
          • 8142

          #5
          Re: It happened today.

          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
          That's St Kilda.
          I'd rather be a Bulldog...
          [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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          • Rocco Jones
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jun 2008
            • 6924

            #6
            Re: It happened today.

            Originally posted by AndrewP6

            As pessimistic as I am, the example St Kilda has set gives one some hope. Remember we easily beat them last season, and without drastic changes in personnel, they've totally transformed their game.
            I think that a massive difference between us and the Saints is how we form our 22. The Saints fill out their 22 with players demonstrating a desired attitude. We fill out the 22 purely based on kids who add most to the specific game. Saints set a tone, a benchmark of what is expected. We only do it when it involves not playing Guy O'Keefe.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
              Re: It happened today.

              St Kilda also has a solid structure up the spine of the 22, we don't.

              It's easy to transform certain areas of your game, when the foundations of your structure is already there.

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              • Rocco Jones
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jun 2008
                • 6924

                #8
                Re: It happened today.

                Originally posted by JH40
                St Kilda also has a solid structure up the spine of the 22, we don't.

                It's easy to transform certain areas of your game, when the foundations of your structure is already there.
                I don't think the last couple of spots in the 22 are going to be that influential week to week. I would like us to use them to help set a benchmark for attitude. The last couple of guys picked aren't going to help fix our demented structure. If they were actually able to do that, their spot wouldn't be questioned.

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: It happened today.

                  Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                  I don't think the last couple of spots in the 22 are going to be that influential week to week. I would like us to use them to help set a benchmark for attitude. The last couple of guys picked aren't going to help fix our demented structure. If they were actually able to do that, their spot wouldn't be questioned.
                  My point was about how St Kilda were able to transform there game, and how easy it was because from FF to FB there spine is solid. All they needed to do was tinker with a few other things, not reconstruct there whole spine. (which is what we would have to do)

                  We could never follow St Kilda and transform next season, because from FF to FB in our team, it is majorly flawed. Not unless Grant, Cordy & Roughead some how turn it on next season, and play every game including finals.

                  Not likely.

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                  • comrade
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 17944

                    #10
                    Re: It happened today.

                    Rocco, are you going to mention Guy O'Keefe in every thread?
                    Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                    • Rocco Jones
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 6924

                      #11
                      Re: It happened today.

                      Originally posted by comrade
                      Rocco, are you going to mention Guy O'Keefe in every thread?
                      Nearly. I am going to bring them all up when he has a semi-decent game for his new AFL club. If that never happens, I will just create another account and bring them up and bag myself to gain new cred.

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                      • macca
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 2352

                        #12
                        Re: It happened today.

                        I think St Kilda have done a major overhaul of their team in the last 2 years. Look at the players they have added in their team in the last 2 sesons which have added some spine, and plugged major holes:

                        King and Garinder- ready made ruckman. Kosi is not a full game ruckman
                        Schneider - class small forward who can occassionaly play midfield, perfect foil to Milne.
                        Dawson - key backman, who has improved out of sight.
                        Farren Ray- hard running midfield- sweeper .
                        Dempster - another fwd midfielder

                        and the young kids like:
                        Clinton jones
                        Sam Gilbert who looks to be a gun
                        Geary
                        McQualter


                        these guys have only added to ths list of stars they have.

                        if thats not a spine of the team, I don't think you know who st kilda is playing

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                        • lemmon
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 6508

                          #13
                          Re: It happened today.

                          Originally posted by macca
                          I think St Kilda have done a major overhaul of their team in the last 2 years. Look at the players they have added in their team in the last 2 sesons which have added some spine, and plugged major holes:

                          King and Garinder- ready made ruckman. Kosi is not a full game ruckman
                          Schneider - class small forward who can occassionaly play midfield, perfect foil to Milne.
                          Dawson - key backman, who has improved out of sight.
                          Farren Ray- hard running midfield- sweeper .
                          Dempster - another fwd midfielder

                          and the young kids like:
                          Clinton jones
                          Sam Gilbert who looks to be a gun
                          Geary
                          McQualter


                          these guys have only added to ths list of stars they have.

                          if thats not a spine of the team, I don't think you know who st kilda is playing
                          I think the differance is how they've managed their younger players, they gave consistent games to guys like Gilbert, Geary and Jones and was prepared to back them in. Instead we are painfully soft at the selection table and refuse to
                          a/ Reward good form
                          b/ Punish poor form in senior players

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                          • KT31
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 5454

                            #14
                            Re: It happened today.

                            Originally posted by AndrewP6
                            Hmm... interesting.

                            As pessimistic as I am, the example St Kilda has set gives one some hope. Remember we easily beat them last season, and without drastic changes in personnel, they've totally transformed their game.

                            I too was tempted to return my membership. But what would we do on the weekends?
                            Im sorry have the Saints won the flag ?

                            The most underperforming side of all time, the Saints will only set an example when they win a flag.
                            It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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                            • Sedat
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 11156

                              #15
                              Re: It happened today.

                              Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                              I don't think the last couple of spots in the 22 are going to be that influential week to week.
                              The biggest query on St Kilda in recent seasons has been how their list fell away at the bottom 6 players. I personally laughed at the likes of Geary, Eddy and Gwilt last year, and how our depth players were a cut above theirs - you know, the Tiller's and Callan's of this world who performed so admirably in September last year - how wrong was I.

                              Today was the latest installment in how this club can find a new way to kick us in the teeth. Somewhere deep within there remains a sliver of positivity that can see us winning 6 games in a row from here en route to a premiership. But then reality kicks in.
                              "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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