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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 44690

    #16
    Re: What Changes Round 11

    Mantis, how would you structure the team for the game against the Lions?
    I'd be very interested to see how you would set-up the side

    FB:
    HB:
    C:
    HF:
    FF:
    RK:

    Int:
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    • Mantis
      Hall of Fame
      • Apr 2007
      • 15463

      #17
      Re: What Changes Round 11

      Originally posted by GVGjr
      Mantis, how would you structure the team for the game against the Lions?
      I'd be very interested to see how you would set-up the side

      FB: McMahon, Morris, Hargrave
      HB: Gilbee, Harris, Everitt
      C: Akermanis, West, Griffen
      HF: Murphy, Skipper, Giansiracusa
      FF: Higgins, McDougall, Johnson
      RK: Street, Cross, Cooney

      Int: Minson, Eagleton, Harbrow, Boyd
      The above is going on the 6 changes that I made to the team.

      Obviously would put Harris onto Brown. Brisbane generally have a rather small forwardline, I would be tempted to bring in Williams to play on Mitch Clark, if not would hope that Hargrave or Everitt could do the job.

      Up forward would keep 2 talls on the ground at all times, rotating Minson, Skipper and McDougall through CHF and FF. I think we need to start playing a more conventional style with a couple of talls to play through. I would hope these talls provide a strong contest and continually present. I would hope that our midfielders would use the best available target rather than going to the same predictable targets as we have recently.
      Last edited by Mantis; 05-06-2007, 11:52 AM.

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 44690

        #18
        Re: What Changes Round 11

        Just as an observation you have listed Westy twice but I assume you mean Cooney as the rover
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        • Mantis
          Hall of Fame
          • Apr 2007
          • 15463

          #19
          Re: What Changes Round 11

          Originally posted by GVGjr
          Just as an observation you have listed Westy twice but I assume you mean Cooney as the rover
          Fixed it up.. What are your thoughts on this line-up?

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          • Dry Rot
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 6447

            #20
            Re: What Changes Round 11

            Originally posted by Mantis
            Fixed it up.. What are your thoughts on this line-up?
            Small query whether we would get more out of Addison than Harbrow.

            Big query re Skipper at CHF.

            Otherwise looks good to me.
            The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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            • Mantis
              Hall of Fame
              • Apr 2007
              • 15463

              #21
              Re: What Changes Round 11

              Originally posted by Dry Rot
              Small query whether we would get more out of Addison than Harbrow.

              Big query re Skipper at CHF.

              Otherwise looks good to me.
              I am a big fan of Addison, like the way he attacks the ball and the man with the ball, would like him to go back to Werribee for 2 or 3 games and work on his disposal and decision making. At the moment he is only getting 10 or so possessions a game and making 3 or 4 errors with these which is costly. Long term he will be a very important player for us. The team I have chosen has no real back up defensive wise if the starting back 6 struggle, maybe send Griffen back to help. Just think Harbrow offers us a bit of creativity and pace, especially chasing from the forwardline/ wing region.

              I am not sure on Skipper either but we need a target at CHF. We need to give him a go for 4 weeks or so and see if he is up to it, personally I doubt it, but its no use having him on the list if we dont play him. I am reluctant to play McDougall as the sole tall target up forward, with Darcy out of form and needing to go back to Werribee Skipper is the logical choice to provide the back-up.

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              • Dry Rot
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 6447

                #22
                Re: What Changes Round 11

                Agree that two tall targets make sense - most sides seem to agree.
                The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 44690

                  #23
                  Re: What Changes Round 11

                  Originally posted by Mantis
                  Fixed it up.. What are your thoughts on this line-up?
                  It's close to what I have done.

                  FB: McMahon - Morris - Hargrave
                  HB: Griffen - Harris - Gilbee
                  C: Ray - West - Giansiracusa
                  HF: Hahn - McDougall - Eagleton
                  FF: Akermanis - Johnson - Higgins
                  RK: Street - Cross - Cooney

                  Int: Boyd - Minson - Williams - Addison

                  Ins: Ray - McDougall - Minson - Williams
                  Outs: Darcy - Power - Robbins - Wight

                  I would look at using Hargrave as a forward with Williams slotting into defence.
                  I was reluctant to consider Murphy before the break.
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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 66785

                    #24
                    Re: What Changes Round 11

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    It's close to what I have done.

                    FB: McMahon - Morris - Hargrave
                    HB: Griffen - Harris - Gilbee
                    C: Ray - West - Giansiracusa
                    HF: Hahn - McDougall - Eagleton
                    FF: Akermanis - Johnson - Higgins
                    RK: Street - Cross - Cooney

                    Int: Boyd - Minson - Williams - Addison

                    Ins: Ray - McDougall - Minson - Williams
                    Outs: Darcy - Power - Robbins - Wight

                    I would look at using Hargrave as a forward with Williams slotting into defence.
                    I was reluctant to consider Murphy before the break.
                    I like your team, but I believe Murphy will play this week, which means you would have to make a change. I can't see Eade bringing in three talls to replace two talls, which means maybe Williams misses for Murphy.
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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15463

                      #25
                      Re: What Changes Round 11

                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      It's close to what I have done.

                      FB: McMahon - Morris - Hargrave
                      HB: Griffen - Harris - Gilbee
                      C: Ray - West - Giansiracusa
                      HF: Hahn - McDougall - Eagleton
                      FF: Akermanis - Johnson - Higgins
                      RK: Street - Cross - Cooney

                      Int: Boyd - Minson - Williams - Addison

                      Ins: Ray - McDougall - Minson - Williams
                      Outs: Darcy - Power - Robbins - Wight

                      I would look at using Hargrave as a forward with Williams slotting into defence.
                      I was reluctant to consider Murphy before the break.
                      I think Murf will play, been 4 weeks since the injury so he should be ok. I resisted the temptation to bring Ray straight back, what will one week at the VFL level do for him, but I dont think he should have been dropped anyway so it makes sense.

                      I hope that the players use McxDougall, from what I have seen of him he presents well. Alot of our players seem to pick and choose who they kick to, lets hope they give him the pill.

                      I would like to see Everitt play, from the little of have seen of him I have been impressed. He looks good and the quicker he is introduced the better it will be for his development.

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                      • dog town
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 1914

                        #26
                        Re: What Changes Round 11

                        I wouldn't be making 5 or 6 changes as some people have suggested. I would probably look at getting in McDougall, Harbrow/Ray and possibly Everitt. Murphy will obviously come in as well. Probably 4 at the absolute max as I think anything more can be counter productive. I want Minson to string 2 or 3 of those games together at Werribee before he comes back.

                        Would look at giving Addison a full game at Werribee and also send Robbins back until he is desperate again. He will kick goals at Werribee based on talent alone but we need those defensive efforts back. Power and perhaps Wight would also be in the firing line. Got alot of faith in Darcy and he is a competitive bloke so happy to stick with him. He will fire up this week but if he doesn't I am happy to persist. The poor bloke has just come off two knee ops so we should cut him some slack.

                        Suprised that Hahn has been mentioned. Thought his come back had gone very smoothly before the weekend.

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                        • Go_Dogs
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 10165

                          #27
                          Re: What Changes Round 11

                          I'd certainly be prepared to make up to 5 changes;

                          Morris, Harris, McMahon
                          Gilbee, Hargrave, Everitt
                          Griffen, West, Akermanis
                          Giansiracusa, Murphy, Boyd
                          Higgins, Johnson, McDougall
                          Street, Cross, Cooney
                          Harbrow, Eagleton, Darcy, Williams

                          Everitt to play a more flanker role that KP, Hargrave to play forward bit, Aker and Griff to play wings, because we need more gut running. McDougall deep forward working out towards the 50m arch, Williams to play back to allow Hargy to go forward, and Harbrow to add some more spice and excitement up forward. Eagleton, Darcy would be ok off the bench, Eagle adding to our run, and Darcy able to rotate through the ruck, and possibly spend a bit of time up foward. Minson was unlucky, and if he were to come in, I think it would be in place of Street (A lot will probably disagree, but that's the way I would see it).

                          Quite possibly Hahn and Addison could both still play though, in which case Harbrow and Williams would probably miss from my outfit.
                          Last edited by Go_Dogs; 06-06-2007, 09:40 AM. Reason: more thoughts...
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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #28
                            Re: What Changes Round 11

                            Is one week enough penance for Ray? I'd give him another week at Werribee and see how he takes it.
                            I don't think replacing an outside player for another is what we need.

                            I'm prepared to go an extra tall this week. No sure about Minson, Street and Darcy in the same side. Only 2 of those. Wight might be given a rest and if so Williams to come in. A tall forward is the required if Darcy is dropped one of McDougal or Skipper

                            I agree with 3 to 4 changes max.

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                            • mjp
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 7375

                              #29
                              Re: What Changes Round 11

                              I can't see any point whatsoever in dropping Farren for a week. I believe the reasons he was dropped for would have been related to things that a week in the VFL as a 'kick in the pants' would not have solved - he really needs to play some good, consistent footy with Werribee and come back to the team 'in form' in 2 or 3 weeks.

                              McDougall and Harbrow need to play. I still think that all the talk of McDougall playing at CHF or FF at AFL level is premature. His role should be to sit in a pocket down in the forward line, and provide the secondary leading option that Robbins has been doing. Harbrow is a true crumber - he needs to come in and play that role. Plus, he is a Queensland kid, would be excited to get up there with his family around him etc etc.

                              The other in should be (must be?) Everitt. First round pick, beautiful kick, good pace...in he comes to play across half-back. Gilbee and Hargrave take turns rotating through the wing/hff with one simple instruction: provide an extra target for players coming off half back, and RUN.

                              That means I need 3 outs I guess.

                              - McDougall to replace either Robbins or Hahn. These two guys are both playing as permanent forwards and have done so in the last two (poor) losses. It is no secret where I think Robbo is at, but I know he has supporters.

                              - Everitt in for Power. Straight swap - one utility runner for another. Sam had one job on the weekend - stop Lappin in the 3rd quarter after Jordy couldn't. He couldn't either - and was outmarked playing from behind when a quick scrambly kick came in. Not good enough, and not something an experienced player should allow to happen. I didn't think he was our worst by the way - just dont think he is helping us move forward at the moment.

                              - Harbrow in for Addison. He is hard at it Dylan - but is almost devoid of tricks. When he had his kick smothered on the boundary vs Carlton it showed such a lack of awareness/vision/appreciation of the game...anyway. The kid has a crack, but just needs to play more footy at VFL level - and I am thinking months, not weeks - and really get hold of the ball before he comes back. Keep in mind, he has come from a division 2 state straight to senior footy - the change in class is huge. With his workrate he will get there eventually.
                              What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 66785

                                #30
                                Re: What Changes Round 11

                                Originally posted by mjp
                                he is a Queensland kid, would be excited to get up there with his family around him etc etc.
                                Actually Harbrow is from Moroopna, but his family moved up to Cairns, he came back to develop his football.

                                I agree with your team in general. What about the rucks? With all the talk about Darcy, would you leave him in?
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