Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

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  • dog town
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2007
    • 1899

    Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

    I know this topic has been done to death over previous years but after seeing a glimpse of what Ryan Griffen could be capable of on friday night I thought it warranted some revisiting. For the first time in a long time I can see it being a possibility that we made the right choice in choosing Griffen before Franklin.

    I realise this may sound quite laughable to suggest given we have just lost a preliminary final that most attribute to our lack of a key forward. I do not think he is even close to becoming more valuable than Franklin at this stage but for the first time since probably his first year I found myself imagining him becoming the games best player. He is already a considerably good player but its the room for improvement that has me wondering just how good he could be.

    I think it is important to note that I have been one of Griffen's biggest critics. I have never thought he works hard enough when he does not have the ball and I consider him to be an overrated user of the ball. He has the potential to kick the ball with amazing depth and touch which is a rare combination but his kicking can be so inconsistent. He kicks around corners, drops the ball lazily and with bad positioning. Fortunately for him all of those problems can be coached out of him IMO. Even if he improves these areas slightly then he has the potential to be one of the most influential players in the comp. Chris Judd is not a great kick but he can extract the ball from tight quarters and explode away into space and that is exactly what Griffen can do. It may not even need to be coached out of him. He simply just needs to realise that his job is not done simply by getting out of traffic with the ball. He works really hard when the ball is in his area and is close to the best ball carryer in the game. He has enormous room for improvement and thats why it is to early to say Franklin was categorically the best choice.

    On friday night (are we allowed to discuss it yet?) Griffen had 13 contested possessions and got into space from some unbelievable positions. He had 5 saints players hanging off him at one stage and still got it out. He was easily our most influential player and this is despite wasting 4 or 5 chances that could have got us crucial goals. If he uses these touches the way we know he can we are playing in a grand final thanks largely to him. As far as pure talent goes I doubt there are many who can match him in the league. With a more consistent work rate and a bit of a polish up of some of his footy attributes I can honestly see him becoming one of the most valuable players in the league. It doesn't mean he will get to that level I am just encouraged by the fact I can actually see him starting to use some of his immense talent.

    If Griffen does kick on from fridays unbelievable game it makes us a pretty frightening proposition going forward. Who do you tag if Cooney is playing like he did in the last few weeks of the season? I also allows us to make Boyd into more of a Cameron Ling type.

    Gary Ablett was probably at a similar level to Griffen before the 2007 season. The cats players asked him to push himself harder and become one of the best players in the competition. He was a good player but he didn't have the work rate or confidence to take the next step. I really hope Griffen does something similar next season.
  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #2
    Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

    I agree with much of what you have said.

    The biggest issue for Griffen has always been his lack of tank. He is improving but it is difficult to improve this area in the short term.

    His kicking can be ordinary when on the run simply because he fails to take one or two steps to steady and kicks when off balance. That can be rectified quite quickly

    I have always seen Griffen having the potential to be on Cooney's level.

    I am still of that view

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    • Mantis
      Hall of Fame
      • Apr 2007
      • 15321

      #3
      Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

      Very good call dt.

      What impressed me the most the on Friday night was his ability to extricate himself out of tight situations and his ability to continue to break free when other players where dead on their feet.

      His kicking needs some work, which personally I think has more to do with a lack of concentration rather than a technique issue. It seems that roosting the ball comes pretty naturally to Griff, but he just doesn't seem to take that little bit of time to steady himself as he believes that his natural talent will allow him to kick off balance/ around corners. His kick to Johnson in the last qtr was a beauty and the type of kick I wish to see much more often over the coming years.

      He will be challenged by his peers over the coming pre-season to take his game to the next level. If he does it will take us one step closer to achieveing the ultimate glory, which we all know isn't that far away.

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      • Sedat
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2007
        • 11132

        #4
        Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

        According to the brain surgeons in the media and on other football forums, he's lucky to be breaking even with Tambling

        He is an elite footballer who has continued to improve season on season. He has now had 5 sensational finals matches out of 8 played. He has added contested ball-winning ability to his repertoire in 2009, and all he hneeds now is to add the endurance to run harder for longer and we have a bonafide AFL superstar on our hands.
        "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          #5
          Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

          He really responded to the blow torch this finals series. I hope the leaders put it on him again to keep this form going. We all know he has 'it', now it's just getting it out of him consistently. Good positive thread.
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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #6
            Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

            I saw something about Griffen on Friday night that i have been waiting (and begging) to see - it was in the last few minutes, he was on the bench waiting to get on, he looked like a bull at a gate, he couldnt wait to get back on, signalling for the guy he was replacing to get off. When he did get on, he attacked the ball and had a crack - gave it everything he had. If we see him do this consistently, we will be such a better side.

            I have always thought that he would be better than Cooney and Franklin - i hold onto that thought and hope. Next year will tell the tale.

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            • Sockeye Salmon
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 6365

              #7
              Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

              Weren't we trading Griffen a week ago?

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              • The Underdog
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Aug 2007
                • 6800

                #8
                Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                Weren't we trading Griffen a week ago?
                Nah it's Everitt this week according to the papers, or Hahn, on the forum, if we can get something worthwhile for him. Keep up.
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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                  Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                  Weren't we trading Griffen a week ago?
                  Not I - never

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                  • comrade
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 17921

                    #10
                    Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                    Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                    Weren't we trading Griffen a week ago?
                    I thought it was Cross?
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                    • Go_Dogs
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 10110

                      #11
                      Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                      Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                      Weren't we trading Griffen a week ago?
                      Yep, gawn. Terrible season, never going to be a player, should have taken Buddy etc etc. No doubt it will be more of the same when he doesn't have 35 touches and 6 goals in Rd 1 2010.
                      Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                      • bulldog

                        #12
                        Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                        I have always said i believe Griff could be the next Nathan Buckley

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                        • dog town
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 1899

                          #13
                          Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                          Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                          Weren't we trading Griffen a week ago?
                          Must have missed that. He is at the age where he has to start being judged on performances though and I think his finals series proved that he had an extra gear in him.

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                          • Topdog
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 7471

                            #14
                            Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                            Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                            Weren't we trading Griffen a week ago?
                            I think every player on the list has either been trade bait or retirement certainty at some stage this season.

                            Personally he was never on the table and I thought it was super harsh to judge a guy coming off a 3 week injury straight into the finals. Was always going to be caught for pace.

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                            • mighty_west
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 3413

                              #15
                              Re: Ryan Griffen vs Lance Franklin...its not over

                              Well, begs the question, who would have been of greater value v the Saints, and Griff did have a good game [apart from his kicking for goal], and Buddy is a tall forward & match winner that can kick goals out of his backside on a regular basis.

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