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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
I wouldn't be averse to considering Sylvia - he is a player in his prime, a ridiculously powerful athlete, who seemed this year to put it together off the field as well as on it.
He's normally a high half forward with Melbourne, whilst I'm not completely sure where we'd play him, or how he would fit into our forward mix, hed be certainly make us quicker and more talented.Comment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
Brock mclean has gone backwards the last few years. he looks unfit and slow and with questionable disposal,a coup for melbourne. Loading up with young talent is good thinking from the Dees. The only problem is I reckon Bailey wont be around to see the fruits of his draftingComment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
This is the point that we should be focusing on, and a positive spin cannot and should not be put on it:
Ray leaves for very little compensation (a slightly earlier draft selection) and has his best year by a mile.
We all knew Ray had weaknesses but the St Kilda coaching staff have been able to get much more out of him.Comment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
Brock is a classic example of his reputation far out weighing his production thus far. He certainly gives them some grunt but not much else. Thats a big price to pay for grunt particularly when its not your biggest problem.Comment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
I am still of the opinion that had he stayed, he would still be struggling at our club, he has played well this year no doubt, but in reality, he is only a link player, and the less time he has with the ball in hand, and just quickly pass it off to more attacking or creative players, the better off he is.
The Saints have been super all season, they way they have zoned, and having that tight game style can make players look better than what they actually are, put Ray in Richmonds side, and he'd almost be delisted now, which is probably why they were linked with Jordy McMahon a few weeks back, put him in the Saints line up, and he adds an extra dimension to their midfield with his run, but at Richmond, he looks like a spud.
Had we kept Ray, we most likely have Liam Jones & Tom Lee on our list, and not Roughead & Jones, and me personally MUCH rather young Roughead on our list than Farren Ray.Comment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
My understanding was that if Roughead was available we were always going to take him. We got an upgraded pick to select Liam Jones, but he may have been available with our later pick - we cant know that
I'm hopeful that Jones and Roughy develop into guns, but
The issue is that we took a #4 draft pick, invested 5 years in developing the player, who we then trade for a small upgrade at the draft table. The player Ray then produces a career year at another club.
For me, thats not a great result, and it doesn't matter what spin the coach or club put on itComment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
Yeah, i know it can be frustrating having players not work out, especially the high draft picks, Walsh [4], Power [10], McMahon [10], Ray [4], but the reality is, once they step foot inside a club, a number is irrelevant really, it's what you make of your opportunities, and yes, Ray has had a good season at the Saints, but, i still would have seen players like Reid, even Wood ahead of him, alot of players from all clubs every year have players not live up to expectations for various reasons after being selected high up, it's just part of the game, Sam Power was seen as a very exciting & talented junior, yet struggled to live up to expectations, Farren Ray was getting 20-30 plus possessions in struggling W.A & Peel Thunder sides, yet, struggled to find his feet at our club, we have alot of mids ahead of him.
Even if we still had Farren on our list, and we played him down back, would that have stopped us trying out Harbrow down back? and right now, who would you rather playing from defence in our team, Ray or Harbrow?
For mine, Harbrow has had a far superior season than Farren, Ray was a top 4 pick, Harbrow missed the draft altogether and taken as a rookie! I am just as frustrated for a Farren playing well at another club, than say someone drafted high up like Jesse Wells or Cam Faulkner not making it altogether!Comment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
How can anyone complain about our drafting when you pick up guys like Morris, Harbrow and Picken on the rookie list?
So some of our early picks were flops. Big deal, that's drafting, all teams have their 1st round misses.Comment
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
Drafting and subsequent delisting of Kmac, Cam Faulkner, Dmac, Jesse Wells and Tim Walsh and "mature" age drafting of Daniel Bandy, Adam Morgan, Stephen Koops, Scotty Basset and*cough* Jade Rawlings has kind of taken the shine off the rookie list elevations
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Re: Brock McLean QUITS the Dee's!
Agreed, but we've probably got more misses than most other clubs since the turn of the decade. File McMahon, Power, Walsh and Ray under the 'misses' file, and Williams, Everitt, Cordy and J Grant under the 'in question/too early to call' file. Cooney, Griffen and Higgins are the only bonafide success stories from our 1st round selections since 2000 - by contrast a team like Hawthorn has 3 successful 1st round selections in the 2004 draft alone (Roughead, Franklin, Lewis).
We've been the best in the business at unearthing pure gold at the back end of the draft/ rookie draft - thank Christ we've been able to. It's not a stretch to suggest that had we nailed two of our three 1st round selections between 2000-2002, we probably would have already celebrated a premiership."Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"Comment
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