Save the Lake.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Save the Lake.

Start the Cooney conspiracy theories now - doesn't Olarenshaw manage him as well? And by then, the Gold Coast will be in and boy will they have some cash to throw about.

I'm trying to eat breakfast here, you're making me want to spew up!

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Save the Lake.

I'm trying to eat breakfast here, you're making me want to spew up!

Just the right tone to end the thread on.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Save the Lake.

Yes we can understand the need to maximise your income, we do the same thing in our jobs, however, what is Brian doing this for, is it just a job? is it the need to win a flag? what is it?
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Not all of us.

Plenty of us choose other things over dollars -- ie. many people choose to work for better companies for less money because of better experience/more exposure/better culture. Some of us work according to our values -- ie. we choose places that maybe pay less but where we feel that we can do work that means something to us. I work in an entire industry of people working for below their considerable market value to try to make a difference in the lives of other people in less priviledged conditions.

The only time money is the only consideration is if you happen to be doing work that you don't absolutely love and need to maximise return for a particular practical reason such as saving for a holiday or to buy a house or car: the classic distinction between loving work or working to make the money to do the things we love.

In this case, Brian is already living his dream job -- he was a junior discard that no one was going to give a chance to, except the Dogs. Of course, he's provided good service in return, but he has to decide what he values here, and whether to chase just pure dollars (remember, we're not exactly offering him peanuts here). If he decides to move to a bottom club for marginally more money, it would certainly taint perceptions of his character because it would expose his motives in life, and there's something grubby about people who value ONLY money over anything else.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Save the Lake.

Not all of us.

Plenty of us choose other things over dollars -- ie. many people choose to work for better companies for less money because of better experience/more exposure/better culture. Some of us work according to our values -- ie. we choose places that maybe pay less but where we feel that we can do work that means something to us. I work in an entire industry of people working for below their considerable market value to try to make a difference in the lives of other people in less priviledged conditions.

The only time money is the only consideration is if you happen to be doing work that you don't absolutely love and need to maximise return for a particular practical reason such as saving for a holiday or to buy a house or car: the classic distinction between loving work or working to make the money to do the things we love.

In this case, Brian is already living his dream job -- he was a junior discard that no one was going to give a chance to, except the Dogs. Of course, he's provided good service in return, but he has to decide what he values here, and whether to chase just pure dollars (remember, we're not exactly offering him peanuts here). If he decides to move to a bottom club for marginally more money, it would certainly taint perceptions of his character because it would expose his motives in life, and there's something grubby about people who value ONLY money over anything else.

I'm not defending Lake here but I understand, unlike the rest of us, he has only this 4 year window to earn big dollars.

After that he will be back to the basic wage. He needs to maximise his earnings now balanced with the considerations of mateship and team success.

None of us know the real isues here because we have not been exposed to his view.

[EasternWest]

Re: Save the Lake.

Stop speculating about Olarenshaw and passing the blame - ANY of the blame. If Lake wanted to sign - he would sign. I have said the exact same thing twice - all that blaming his manager is doing is making Bulldogs supporters feel better. As for the constant comments about the 'Ray situation' - it is just not relevant to what is happening here.

One other thing about Farren Ray - 90% of people on here wanted him gone before the trade period and were HAPPY when he left...it is only now that he has had a successful year at St Kilda that there is any angst about his departure. Further, it was not as if he had 15 other clubs banging down his door the way Lake does....comparing the two situations is like comparing an apple to a house brick.

Supposedly Brian Lake has been offered more money by another club than we have offered. He wants us to either up the ante or allow him to accept said offer. That has NOTHING to do with his manager. It has NOTHING to do with his wife or future generations of his family. It is up to him to make the decision and no-one else.

Start the Cooney conspiracy theories now - doesn't Olarenshaw manage him as well? And by then, the Gold Coast will be in and boy will they have some cash to throw about.

You make some relevant points, but it's naive to think a manager does not have any influence on a players decision, regardless of who the manager is. I for one am not blaming Olarenshaw, even though he's a grub. Likewise family. If family weren't an influence on the decisions players make then why do we always hear about the go home factor?

And I'm not sure anyone believes the discussions are the same in regard to Lake and Ray. I think it's more in reference to RO's negotiation style, where precedent has been set.

[KT31]

Re: Save the Lake.

Start the Cooney conspiracy theories now - doesn't Olarenshaw manage him as well? And by then, the Gold Coast will be in and boy will they have some cash to throw about.

I have no doubt if the Dogs do not sign Cooney during the season we will be having the same discussions re him.

[KT31]

Re: Save the Lake.

lake saved !!!!

[Doc26]

Re: Save the Lake.

Not all of us.

Plenty of us choose other things over dollars -- ie. many people choose to work for better companies for less money because of better experience/more exposure/better culture. Some of us work according to our values -- ie. we choose places that maybe pay less but where we feel that we can do work that means something to us. I work in an entire industry of people working for below their considerable market value to try to make a difference in the lives of other people in less priviledged conditions.

The only time money is the only consideration is if you happen to be doing work that you don't absolutely love and need to maximise return for a particular practical reason such as saving for a holiday or to buy a house or car: the classic distinction between loving work or working to make the money to do the things we love.

In this case, Brian is already living his dream job -- he was a junior discard that no one was going to give a chance to, except the Dogs. Of course, he's provided good service in return, but he has to decide what he values here, and whether to chase just pure dollars (remember, we're not exactly offering him peanuts here). If he decides to move to a bottom club for marginally more money, it would certainly taint perceptions of his character because it would expose his motives in life, and there's something grubby about people who value ONLY money over anything else.

Can relate to this sentiment having chosen what would seem a similar path to yourself, that is, chosing work value over remuneration maximisation. The one thing I would add to this and is in Brian's favour is that I would still expect a degree of equity in conditions and remuneration 'within' my work environment. Is reasonable then for Brian to be remunerated at or close to his market value for his chosen industry.