Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

[Dry Rot]

Reading less than stellar reports of the Dogs players playing for the Bees, it seems that there's no much on offer there aside from Grant if we have further injuries.

In contrast, the Pies seem to have a really good crop of young players who they can call upon to cover injuries, and can even afford the luxury of leaving Wakelin in the 2s for most of the time.

Given the Pies have not had the draft picks we've had, who's done the better recruiting?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

DR. Pies players are talked up like no other club. The media will tell you (to sell papers) and their supporters believe they have recruited better but I doubt it.

I recall a Sun head line of the 80's involving our former player who went to the Pies(possibly Jim McAllister), anyway he wasn't very good for us but the back page headline said "PIES STAR OUT"
Duds at other clubs, Stars at the Pies.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

Beyond the hype, you disagree that they have a really good crop of young 'uns who (so far) have stepped up to the plate when required?

[southerncross]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

I think we have recruited better but the Pies are getting more out of the players they have recruited if you know what I mean. Thomas was a very good selection as will Brown and Reid will be from their last draft effort.

They are just getting a lot more from the likes of Toovey and Cox than we have been getting from our later selections Harbrow aside.

Malthouse has done a super effort getting this team so competive against all the sides that we struggle with but I'm not sure it is just the recruting that has given him the edge.

[mjp]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

I think we have recruited better but the Pies are getting more out of the players they have recruited if you know what I mean. Thomas was a very good selection as will Brown and Reid will be from their last draft effort.

They are just getting a lot more from the likes of Toovey and Cox than we have been getting from our later selections Harbrow aside.

Cox did a pre-season at our club before he was taken by the Pies. To say that this one upsets me - particularly having coached the kid - is an understatement of the highest order.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

Cox did a pre-season at our club before he was taken by the Pies. To say that this one upsets me - particularly having coached the kid - is an understatement of the highest order.

How early did he go?

[Dry Rot]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

What set me thinking about this is that Pies covered missing half their defenders, but if we lost say Harris, Hargrave and Morris we'd be stuffed IMO.

[mjp]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

How early did he go?

Rookie draft. Not early at all - and a full season (when he basically didn't get a kick at South) after he completed a six week stint with us.

[mjp]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

What set me thinking about this is that Pies covered missing half their defenders, but if we lost say Harris, Hargrave and Morris we'd be stuffed IMO.

Stuffed is probably unfair - and if you asked a Collingwood supporter a couple of months back how they would have coped in their present situation, I think the answer would have been short and started with the letter 'F'...then again, most things Collingwood fans say start with the letter 'F' according to young Farren.

Wight would come in for Harris, Everitt would cover the Hargrave role, Addison would be swung across to cover for Morris...the issue with this last one is that Morris is pretty tall and able to play small/tall.

I dont think things are quite as dire as you make out. When we draft Cal Ward next year he will happily slot in across half-back.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

When we draft Cal Ward next year he will happily slot in across half-back.

Who's he?

[dog town]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

Difficult to say. Malthouse plays the most structured and disciplined game of just about any team so it is easy to bring in kids and have them play a role as they can be a bit protected by how well drilled the rest of the side is. You look at the kids who were playing back in 2002/2003 when the pies last made the top 4 and very few of them have kicked on and become elite players. Most remain role players and solid foot soldiers. They pick players mainly for immediate impact and even as they mature they do not really turn into elite players.Whether thats because the way the pies play doesn't allow for too many players to really dominate I am not sure but very few of them really kick on. Once saw a Malthouse quote basically saying that it is pointless having a kid sitting their on your list for two years eating bread rolls. If you dont show something fairly early under Malthouse you would be very nervous.

[mjp]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

Who's he?

Bottom-age kid in the Vic Metro team.

[southerncross]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

Bottom-age kid in the Vic Metro team.

From the Western Jets and about 184cm tall but light on. Could be a Clayton pick if he keeps the weight off

[mjp]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

From the Western Jets and about 184cm tall but light on. Could be a Clayton pick if he keeps the weight off

Light on? No offense SC, but that is crap. He is up over 73kgs, which aint too bad at 17. How much do you want him to weigh at his age/height?

[southerncross]

Re: Who's done the better recruiting, Dogs or Pies?

Light on? No offense SC, but that is crap. He is up over 73kgs, which aint too bad at 17. How much do you want him to weigh at his age/height?

It was meant more in jest regarding the perception that Clayton mainly drafts the underdeveloped youngsters. 73kg and 184cm is a good height to weight ratio for a bottom ager.