Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

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  • Raw Toast
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 982
    #16
    Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

    Originally posted by mjp
    The bursting away from stoppages comment is true - but most times when he does this it isn't a handball receive...he has gathered the footy himself.
    True, and he relied on good tap work as well - I think this is another risk the Hawks are taking. They need someone else apart from Bateman (and maybe Rioli if they can play him in the midfield) who can break the lines for them, but S Burgoyne has tended to run onto the ball at stoppages (assisted by good to excellent ruck-work) and then burst away. He's been excellent at it, but a bit one-dimensional. Can he add an extra string to his bow at his age and break the lines from hand-ball receives as well?
    [SIZE="1"][B][CENTER][I]Although it broke our hearts it did not break our will[/I][/CENTER][/B][/SIZE]

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      • EasternWest
        Hall of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 10002
        #17
        Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

        Originally posted by mjp
        It's strange isn't it. I figured all Hawthorn were doing with Burgoyne was causing a trade-week log jam (like in each of the last few years with Thornton, O'Keefe, Spider Everitt etc etc). But they actually wanted him?

        I think he is terrific, but his best value is around stoppages...and they already have Lewis, Mitchell and Hodge. And Sewell.

        What are they going to DO with him?
        Nice post, everything you said here is correct IMO.
        "It's over. It's all over."

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          • 1eyedog
            Hall of Fame
            • Mar 2008
            • 13234
            #18
            Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

            Originally posted by mjp
            But if Lewis and Mitchell are going to give him the ball, then someone needs to block for THEM.

            The bursting away from stoppages comment is true - but most times when he does this it isn't a handball receive...he has gathered the footy himself.
            Yeah but he is hardly an inside mid like Sewell or Lewis. Most of his possessions are loose ball gets rather than hard ball gets. Clarkson will set him free to run like he does with Bateman.
            But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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              • 1eyedog
                Hall of Fame
                • Mar 2008
                • 13234
                #19
                Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Croad will never play again and they don't have anyone else down back. As for rucks, well, they are going to hope they can develop some kids quickly.
                Has this been sourced from somewhere or is it an opinion?
                But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                  • Bulldog Revolution
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 3925
                    #20
                    Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

                    Originally posted by 1eyedog
                    Yeah but he is hardly an inside mid like Sewell or Lewis. Most of his possessions are loose ball gets rather than hard ball gets. Clarkson will set him free to run like he does with Bateman.
                    I would have thought that Burgoyne, like Cooney and obviously Judd, is capable of winning a hard ball in close, but then being able to sprint away from everyone and almost make it a loose ball get

                    Are the Hawks thinking he will give them the type of run and carry that Bateman did in 2008

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                      • Topdog
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 7471
                        #21
                        Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

                        Hawks supporting mate thinks that they might move Mitchell to play some more in the HBF / behind the ball and allow Burgoyne to run on the ball a bit more.

                        As for the Croad bit it has been mentioned in a few newspapers that he may not play again. Hawks (much like Geelong with Egan) are adopting a wait and see approach.

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                          • 1eyedog
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 13234
                            #22
                            Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

                            Originally posted by Topdog
                            Hawks supporting mate thinks that they might move Mitchell to play some more in the HBF / behind the ball and allow Burgoyne to run on the ball a bit more.

                            As for the Croad bit it has been mentioned in a few newspapers that he may not play again. Hawks (much like Geelong with Egan) are adopting a wait and see approach.
                            Ok thanks I hadn't heard about that. Huge loss to them considering you would expect barring injury he would of had another two years in him, just enough time to blood a youngster. Would the Hawks try to pick up a McGuire do you think?
                            But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                              • Topdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 7471
                                #23
                                Re: Well I'll be buggered, Pelchen actually got Burgoyne

                                A couple of links for you.

                                Croad to have surgery as Hawks all but give up on title defence
                                http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/croad-to-have-surgery-as-hawks-all-but-give-up-on-title-defence/2009/08/03/1249152558484.html


                                Gibson a Hawk, but his defection leaves Roos hopping mad
                                http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/gibson-a-hawk-but-his-defection-leaves-roos-hopping-mad/2009/10/05/1254700978234.html


                                Originally posted by Pelican
                                'We're very happy, we identified Josh as a player of need, particularly with the [foot] injury to Trent Croad worsening at the end of the year [and] he [Gibson] is very, very happy.''

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