Player attitudes

[LostDoggy]

Re: Player attitudes

The further issue is that once a player has had his cards marked, this negative perception of them clouds the judgment of everyone around them...all of a sudden they all forget what they liked about the player in the first place, and the continued focus on weaknesses oftentimes causes the player to forget what they were good at doing as well.

Great post mjp. Self-fulfilling prophecies and all that.

We're too quick to pigeon-hole in this business, I think. The kids coming into the system are 17, 18 or so, and require a heck a lot of teaching, both in skills and maturity. I would blame the club as much as the player if they are failing to develop them properly -- I don't know too many kids who are the same going into uni as when they come out (if they have good teachers). Of course you have the incorrigible ones, but even then, skillful teachers can turn around some of the worst cases.

What makes coaches like Lethal, or Roos, or Mark Thompson, (or Alex Ferguson) great are not necessarily any great tactical acumen, but the ability to take a bunch of kids and develop them into world-beaters. Terry Wallace, for all his trickery and innovation, never had that skill.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Player attitudes

Perhaps a thread that can be best answered by Mike.

A lot is discussed about player attitudes, particularly when drafting a player. Players often slip down the order because clubs have concerns over their personality and attitude to football. Sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's a load of tripe. Franklin is one that springs to mind. However, I wanted to discuss more so the attitudes of players once they've arrived at your club.

Take a look at Everitt. He's got undeniable talent which is widely recognised, but at the same time, he's got plenty of question marks hanging over his head. There's no doubt the club shopped Andrejs around for a pick under 20 - my question is - how will Everitt deal with that? If he's an introvert, it might send him backwards. In some cases it fires a proverbial rocket under players (McIntosh from North) but I have no doubt it has a reverse effect too.

Barry Hall might an interesting case. I've heard him speak several times on not wanting to end his football career on a sour note. It sounds as though he's got something to prove. It might have sparked 'fire in the belly' to really perform once again.

Reid, Wood and Grant are topics to be raised too. Reid impressed late in the season and probably would have played finals if he didn't get injured. Wood has improved considerably since he arrived at the club two years ago. How does the club make sure their attitude to improving stays on the right track? Too often young players appear to go wondering after their first year or two. Grant was apparently very confident in himself prior to coming to the club but after his first game (v Carlton) it was said he was a little down on himself because he realized how far off he is. Unfortunately, Grant ended the season in Williamstown reserves.

Some players are driven beyond belief to succeed (Boyd, Cross, Harbrow, Ward) whilst others might need to be assisted carefully (Everitt, Grant). It all comes back to player development but how do you think the situations of the above players (and others not mentioned) will be handled?

Are you confident we can adapt to the different attitudes? Can we help turn players around? (IE. Boumann)

Everitt is an interesting case. Showed enough in 2007 to be given the famous No. 3. Form has slipped in the past two years apart from our final home and away against Collingwood, where he was very unlucky to be dropped. You will find that him being offered as a trade was more about limitations on our salary cap rather than a draft pick under 20.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Player attitudes

Perhaps a thread that can be best answered by Mike.

A lot is discussed about player attitudes, particularly when drafting a player. Players often slip down the order because clubs have concerns over their personality and attitude to football. Sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's a load of tripe. Franklin is one that springs to mind. However, I wanted to discuss more so the attitudes of players once they've arrived at your club.

Take a look at Everitt. He's got undeniable talent which is widely recognised, but at the same time, he's got plenty of question marks hanging over his head. There's no doubt the club shopped Andrejs around for a pick under 20 - my question is - how will Everitt deal with that? If he's an introvert, it might send him backwards. In some cases it fires a proverbial rocket under players (McIntosh from North) but I have no doubt it has a reverse effect too.

Barry Hall might an interesting case. I've heard him speak several times on not wanting to end his football career on a sour note. It sounds as though he's got something to prove. It might have sparked 'fire in the belly' to really perform once again.

Reid, Wood and Grant are topics to be raised too. Reid impressed late in the season and probably would have played finals if he didn't get injured. Wood has improved considerably since he arrived at the club two years ago. How does the club make sure their attitude to improving stays on the right track? Too often young players appear to go wondering after their first year or two. Grant was apparently very confident in himself prior to coming to the club but after his first game (v Carlton) it was said he was a little down on himself because he realized how far off he is. Unfortunately, Grant ended the season in Williamstown reserves.

Some players are driven beyond belief to succeed (Boyd, Cross, Harbrow, Ward) whilst others might need to be assisted carefully (Everitt, Grant). It all comes back to player development but how do you think the situations of the above players (and others not mentioned) will be handled?

Are you confident we can adapt to the different attitudes? Can we help turn players around? (IE. Boumann)

Believe Everitt was offered as a trade because of tight restrictions in our salary cap.
Showed great promise in Season 2007 before going off the radar in the past two years until a very good final match against Collingwood. Unlucky not to play at least in one of the three finals. Looks better suited to the wing than in defence. Boumann impresses as a possible key defender and would appear to have more skill than Williams. It will be interesting to see how both Roughhead and Boumann adavance in 2010.

[EasternWest]

Re: Player attitudes

Everitt is an interesting case. Showed enough in 2007 to be given the famous No. 3. Form has slipped in the past two years apart from our final home and away against Collingwood, where he was very unlucky to be dropped. You will find that him being offered as a trade was more about limitations on our salary cap rather than a draft pick under 20.

Unlucky on form. But he was only covering the injured ruckmen. He knew the deal.

Looking for a ripper year from him next year, hopefully a bit of time HBF and wing.