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  • Mantis
    Hall of Fame
    • Apr 2007
    • 15547

    #16
    Re: What are the risks?

    Originally posted by comrade
    That’s why the demise of Malcolm Lynch has been so disappointing. His pace and ability to hunt down opposition defenders would’ve fit our game style perfectly.
    Stack & Harbrow (better suited elsewhere) would be the only 2 capable of filling that role at present. Hill in good form can also play that role, but from reports the only thing he is likely to chase at present is a bucket of KFC.

    One would think that we would be looking for a nippy forward come draft day.

    Originally posted by Mount Mistake
    It's interesting that Mal has been allowed to train with us. Outside chance of being rookied?
    You wouldn't think so considering he had been on the list for 3 years and hadn't really made improvements to his game when compared to someone like Harbrow.

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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 45505

      #17
      Re: What are the risks?

      You're probably right. Bit of a shame really.

      I don't really rate Josh Hill's forward pressure too highly and would prefer to see him off a wing if he can get his motor up and running in the preseason. I saw him as a good replacement for Eagle but if he can't get his fitness up then he obviously wouldn't be able to play that role.

      I reckon Stack could play the defensive forward position as he has played off half back mostly and with a bit of continuity could make an impact.
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      • Dry Rot
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 6471

        #18
        Re: What are the risks?

        Originally posted by Mantis
        Stack & Harbrow (better suited elsewhere) would be the only 2 capable of filling that role at present. Hill in good form can also play that role, but from reports the only thing he is likely to chase at present is a bucket of KFC.
        He may not be real nippy, but I reckon Picken could be a handy forward. Has a great defensive side to his game (obviously) but also knows how to kick a goal.
        The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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        • Mofra
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2006
          • 15112

          #19
          Re: What are the risks?

          Originally posted by Dry Rot
          He may not be real nippy, but I reckon Picken could be a handy forward. Has a great defensive side to his game (obviously) but also knows how to kick a goal.
          Fair call, with someone like a Reid doing a negating job (did well on Bartel during the season).

          I think it was the Collingwood game where Picken showed us he had the ability to be dangerous near goal.
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          • The Bulldogs Bite
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 11406

            #20
            Re: What are the risks?

            Originally posted by Mofra
            Fair call, with someone like a Reid doing a negating job (did well on Bartel during the season).

            I think it was the Collingwood game where Picken showed us he had the ability to be dangerous near goal.
            Yep - Picken booted two huge 50m+ goals in the Friday Night game v Collingwood. I also remember him kicking two on Deledio in a game too.

            I suspect he will be used as a swingman. HBF, midfield and across the half forward at times. He's got something to offer across all points depending on our opposition at the time.
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            • boydogs
              WOOF Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 5845

              #21
              Re: What are the risks?

              I am worried about the age of our forwardline, with regards to speed as well as older players generally being more injury prone. I do not want to see Hill, Stack and Addison as our forward line again. Hill and Stack seem to be our developing midsized forwards, yet neither could finish the year in the 22. I think Ward, Cooney and Picken will be used up forward a bit if we are looking slow or get some injuries
              If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

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              • Dancin' Douggy
                WOOF Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 2877

                #22
                Re: What are the risks?

                Why even start this post? Are we so damaged? We already have to start examining why we will fail?
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                • brilliantgriffen

                  #23
                  Re: What are the risks?

                  I just hope the team doesn't put too much pressure on itself at the pointy end of the season (I think we will be there) and focus too much on our potentiel retirees. I worry as individuals the boys might try to do too much and overplay things. Although, I do have a lot of faith in Rocket and the coaching staff. I coundn't handle another disappointment! BTW Dancin' Dougy, I agree- I think we are all ready and next year must be our year!

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                  • Nuggety Back Pocket
                    WOOF Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 2064

                    #24
                    Re: What are the risks?

                    Originally posted by brilliantgriffen
                    I just hope the team doesn't put too much pressure on itself at the pointy end of the season (I think we will be there) and focus too much on our potentiel retirees. I worry as individuals the boys might try to do too much and overplay things. Although, I do have a lot of faith in Rocket and the coaching staff. I coundn't handle another disappointment! BTW Dancin' Dougy, I agree- I think we are all ready and next year must be our year!
                    Major concern as I see it is having to play 5 over 30 year olds and somewhat short thinking towards 2010 rather than looking at the next 3-5 years for continued success.
                    The selection in the draft of Barry Hall whilst I agree with it, is still problematical as to whether it will make the ultimate difference. We need big seasons from both Cooney and Griffen, the class of Higgins to prevail and an injury free season for Robert Murphy.

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                    • 1eyedog
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 13387

                      #25
                      Re: What are the risks?

                      Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                      Yep - Picken booted two huge 50m+ goals in the Friday Night game v Collingwood. I also remember him kicking two on Deledio in a game too.
                      I suspect he will be used as a swingman. HBF, midfield and across the half forward at times. He's got something to offer across all points depending on our opposition at the time.
                      Only because both Collingwood and Richmond did not pay him any respect. I don't think Picken is suited deep forward unless we really need to apply defensive pressure there. If Aker, Hall and Hahn are forward it will come from there. Picken is too valuable in the midfield, he has proven that he is capable of negating the opposition's best player (Deledio and Harvey for instance last season) and I think this ability far outweighs the benefit of him playing forward.

                      I'd have Harbow in a forward pocket and move Griffen back to a HBF to cover for the loss of run.

                      Our main concern next year is whether Cooney can be fully fit and get through a season and whether Griffen can take the next step. These are our two game breakers and our premiership chances hinge on their seasons.
                      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                      • The Bulldogs Bite
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 11406

                        #26
                        Re: What are the risks?

                        Originally posted by 1eyedog
                        Only because both Collingwood and Richmond did not pay him any respect. I don't think Picken is suited deep forward unless we really need to apply defensive pressure there. If Aker, Hall and Hahn are forward it will come from there. Picken is too valuable in the midfield, he has proven that he is capable of negating the opposition's best player (Deledio and Harvey for instance last season) and I think this ability far outweighs the benefit of him playing forward.

                        I'd have Harbow in a forward pocket and move Griffen back to a HBF to cover for the loss of run.

                        Our main concern next year is whether Cooney can be fully fit and get through a season and whether Griffen can take the next step. These are our two game breakers and our premiership chances hinge on their seasons.
                        Against Richmond, Deledio didn't pay him too much respect but he can't deal with hard taggers in the first place. In both games v Tigers, Picken really did give Deledio a bath. Against Collingwood - he made his own luck. The first one he ran forward, the second one he made a good tackle, picked up the ball and hammered it home. There's going to be times when Picken isn't doing too well in the midfield so the fact that he can offer something up forward is a bonus. We don't have a defensive forward either - and he can play this role as you said.

                        Agree re Cooney and Griff, but if we want a Premiership and Griff to take the next step, he has to play in the middle. Geelong has Ablett/Selwood, St. Kilda Hayes/Dal Santo etc. There's no doubting Cooney and Griffen are our most influencing midfielders when they are in form. For mine - it's pivotal these two are fit and in form, bursting out of the midfield in September of 2010. Honestly believe their partnership could be what is the difference in winning/losing a Grand Final. Griff was brilliant v St. Kilda in the Prelim - if he executed better he could have finished with 2 or 3 goals, and we'd have played Geelong in the GF.
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                        • 1eyedog
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 13387

                          #27
                          Re: What are the risks?

                          Agree with all of this but I'm worried about Griffen in the middle. But as you say for Griffen to step up he needs to play there. This is where he will be judged as a player in the future. But is he ready?
                          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                          • Studentlib

                            #28
                            Re: What are the risks?

                            One challenge will be to deal with the expectation of the ultimate success that supporters, the media the club and players have placed on the team. I can't remember a season in 45 years when such widely and strongly held belief existed. The media storm has already started and Rielly's article in the Australian today with its snide last paragraph and use of the word "desperation" in the opening, just hints at what is to come. The rich and not so successful clubs hate smaller/poorer clubs once they become successful. There won't be any flying under the radar in 2010. I hope everyone at the club can cope with the criticisms and the applause in a level headed way and maintains focus on the last game of the year, Go Dogs!

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                            • alwaysadog
                              Senior Player
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 1436

                              #29
                              Re: What are the risks?

                              Originally posted by Studentlib
                              One challenge will be to deal with the expectation of the ultimate success that supporters, the media the club and players have placed on the team. I can't remember a season in 45 years when such widely and strongly held belief existed. The media storm has already started and Rielly's article in the Australian today with its snide last paragraph and use of the word "desperation" in the opening, just hints at what is to come. The rich and not so successful clubs hate smaller/poorer clubs once they become successful. There won't be any flying under the radar in 2010. I hope everyone at the club can cope with the criticisms and the applause in a level headed way and maintains focus on the last game of the year, Go Dogs!
                              Very useful Studentlib to point out that not all our enemies will be on the field of play.
                              [I]I believe there's nothing on this earth that we own. All we do is look after it for our children - Terry Wheeler[/I]

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