Round 1 2010 Team

[stefoid]

Re: Round 1 2010 Team

Is there any reason why Everitt couldnt play Murphys role? Obviously Murph makes up for his lack of height with amazing agility, but Everitt actually has the height, and is a better kick. steaming into F50 on the run I would back everitt to slot it, but murph would have to run to at least 40m and would probably be looking to cross it instead.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Is there any reason why Everitt couldnt play Murphys role?

Workrate
Timing of leads
Sure hands
Vision

There's more to CHF than being tall.

[Ozza]

Re: Round 1 2010 Team

Workrate
Timing of leads
Sure hands
Vision

There's more to CHF than being tall.

Agreed.
Murph has the best hands at the club. Some of his marks in the first half vs St.Kilda in the prelim...well....nobody else on our list could have taken some of those.

Murphy has such a great feel for where and when to go, and he just works over his opponents with his big engine (ie. second, third and fourth leads).

[stefoid]

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Daniel cross is 14th in the league for 'scoring involvement' stat, and second only to boyd at the bulldogs in that regard.

discuss...

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?yr=2009&sp=SE&rt=LA&fc=E15

p.s. and 3rd at the bulldogs is The Beard, no doubt due to his stoppage work.

[stefoid]

Re: Round 1 2010 Team

Workrate
Timing of leads
Sure hands
Vision

There's more to CHF than being tall.

Indeed, but is Everitt deficient in those areas? I remember seeing his first few games off a half back flank and thinking, heres a tall guy that moves well and has a bit of poise, and knows what to do with the ball. (similar to what I thought about murphs first few games, except for the tall part)

[Mofra]

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In regards to Hoopsnake's post, Lake wouldn't have the tank for CHF, nor the skills and I doubt the smarts. The few times he's played down there he's struggled to get into the play. Obviously it's near on impossible to adjust in one game, but there's no doubt Lake gives us far more value as a top line FB than he ever will as (potentially) an OK KPF.

Pretty much sums it up. Lake's version of a lead is 3-4 half steps at a jogging pace - nothing like the repeated efforts at top speed guys like Riewoldt put in.

Lake is a gun FB: I can't recall Scarlett spending time forward in the past few years.

[Mofra]

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Indeed, but is Everitt deficient in those areas? I remember seeing his first few games off a half back flank and thinking, heres a tall guy that moves well and has a bit of poise, and knows what to do with the ball. (similar to what I thought about murphs first few games, except for the tall part)

He is in workrate. The GPS monitors tend to pick up Murph's workrates as being that of elite midfielders.
CHF (if there is such a thing these days) is more about workrate than anything else.

[stefoid]

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He is in workrate. The GPS monitors tend to pick up Murph's workrates as being that of elite midfielders.
CHF (if there is such a thing these days) is more about workrate than anything else.

thats good then, because thats the thing that is most able to be improved. Not many players that have been in the system 3 years have the work rate of an elite midfielder, especially tall ones.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Here's my take on it...

B: Morris, Lake, Hargrave
HB: Harbrow, Williams, Gilbee
C: Ward, Boyd, Griffen
HF: Johnson, Murphy, Higgins
F: Giansiracusa, Hall, Akermanis
R: Hudson, Cross, Cooney
I/C: Minson, Picken, Everitt, Eagleton

Just a few points
Defence
Would love to see Williams or Markovic holding down a key-defender spot which would allow Lake to burn weaker opponents. Also has a bit of a domino effect freeing up Morris, Hargrave and Harbrow. If Williams can be both injury free and competitive, I think our backline will be very impressive.

Midfield
A lot really depends on Ward's tank but I'd like to see him as a run with player. I would also like to see Cross continue on with the inside tag jobs as Mantis has already suggested. I don't see Picken as an inside tagger but he has obvously shown value as an outside tag. I would like to see him have a crack at being a defensive forward when we come up against quality HBF rebounders.

Forward
Our 6 forwards all seem to suit being around HF more than playing deep. I think Bobby is our best option as a modern CHF. Johnno as a HF target with Higgins in a Chapmanesque role up forward. The move deeper forward will probably help maintain Aker.

Other stuff
- I don't have Hahn because I feel we would be a tad too immobile with Hall, Hahn, Hudson and Minson in the same side.
- Eagleton is there as the 22nd picked due to his elite running. I know most here would much prefer a random young running type but until they demonstrate they can fill a role OR build an AFL running tank the spot is Eagle's to lose. I would have had Hill in his place if not for the negative reports.

This is a good team, but with possibly one exception. Hall's best work with Sydney was at centre half forward, which would allow Robert Murphy to be more effective on a half forward flank. Hahn does his best work closer to goal and therefore could slot in at full forward. I couldn't imagine the Bulldogs not going in without Hahn in the lineup, as he has been one of our few physical players in the team. This would then allow Gia to start on the bench which he normally does, at the expense of Everitt.
Hopefully this will ensure that we do not have to suffer Minson playing up forward which has been a miserable failure.

[Dry Rot]

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Hall's best work with Sydney was at centre half forward,

Agreed, but most here don't see him playing there.

[GVGjr]

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OK, first I admit to being an unashamed Cross fan. But what are some of you guys on about? He is the heart, soul and guts of our midfield. What our midfield lacks is a genuine old fashioned rover, as distinct from the ubiquitous modern midfielder, we have plenty of them. I am refering to that explosive, under pack, line bursting type who can sneak forward and kick goals off his own boot regularly, as well as set them up. A few examples might be Ben Cousins, Brent Harvey and Aker [circa 5+ years ago]. Don't know enough about the new young kids yet, but Jarrod Harbrow seems to have the tools to develop into that type of role.
How intimidating will it be for opposition back lines with Hall, Hahn and Big Will [at times] all in the front half. Now all we need there is to get some greater penatration on our kicks in there. What if we put Gilbee and Hargraves out on the wings, Murphy down on a HBF playing that sweeper/generalling role that R. Smith played so well in his latter years [I hate that Americanism..Quarter back], he is both mobile and creative enough, and he can mark. Although the back half normally play well together, at times they seem a little too democratic, and perhaps need an organizing leader, Bob could fill that role well. With say Griff on the other HBF we would lose none of our creativity or pace/penetration out of the back half either.
I think we need at least one of the younger players to really step up this year and become a fixture in the side, possibly to replace JH in the back half if he can become that explosive mid option. There is an abundence of talented kids who we need to take that step up this year.
Roll on season 2010.
Paulv