Round one V Collingwood team

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Round one V Collingwood team

Need to get Maxwell assigned to a 'target'. If he could manipulate the match-ups and get onto a Josh Hill, I don't think that would favor us. Hill would get a couple of easy goals, but it would enable Maxwell to double team Hall or Murphy (whoever is most dangerous).

I am quite worried about this game...round 1 always has a feast or famine aspect to it.

Agree on both points.

Rd 1 to me, is the highest intensity round besides finals and perhaps must win games deep in the season. I'm really looking forward to it.

[Twodogs]

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round 1 always has a feast or famine aspect to it.

We are 5 from 5 under Rocket in R1 games. We have a winning average of almost 8 goals (46.6 points) to go with it.

[mjp]

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I know...but 115 points over the mighty tiges certainly bumps up the winning margin. Pretty sure Johnson kicked 8 in a bit of a tour de' force against Geelong in 07 as well. Wasn't that game a sign of things to come!

I seem to remember a few somewhat closer than 8 goals!

[chef]

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I know...but 115 points over the mighty tiges certainly bumps up the winning margin. Pretty sure Johnson kicked 8 in a bit of a tour de' force against Geelong in 07 as well. Wasn't that game a sign of things to come!

I seem to remember a few somewhat closer than 8 goals!

Johno's milestone game against the crows was under a goal(and the only close round 1), we smashed freo over there last year and we beat Collingwood convincingly in Eades first round one with us.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Gee the match committee have a hard task.

From PF

Out
Welsh Callan

In
Hall Williams Hill Moles Everitt

Good Enough for best 22 in most sides when fit
Reid Addison

That gives us 27 best 22 players - We will be sounding like Hawthorn Supporters

Then there are the young developing players

WOW

[Mantis]

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Need to get Maxwell assigned to a 'target'. If he could manipulate the match-ups and get onto a Josh Hill, I don't think that would favor us. Hill would get a couple of easy goals, but it would enable Maxwell to double team Hall or Murphy (whoever is most dangerous).

Wouldn't this target most likely be Hahn?

[Ozza]

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Johno's milestone game against the crows was under a goal(and the only close round 1), we smashed freo over there last year and we beat Collingwood convincingly in Eades first round one with us.

Believe it or not - we were actually odds-against in the Freo opener last year. I had a fairly decent go at the dogs at $2.14 and it was a very enjoyable birthday weekend watching us kick 25 goals in round 1.

Playing Collingwood in Round 1 - on my Birthday....talk about feast or famine for the day!!!

[Bulldog Joe]

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O'Brien would appear to be a logical match up for Murphy

If you recall the first Pies game last year, it was actually Murphy going forward matched on O'Brien that really led our comback from 41 points down.

Murphy being fitter should really stretch their zoning. If we can also hit up targets we will really make them struggle.

[mjp]

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Good Enough for best 22 in most sides when fit
Reid Addison

Disagree. Moles hasn't proved a thing either, Everitt and Williams (and Callan) very little.

[Rocco Jones]

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Good Enough for best 22 in most sides when fit
Reid Addison

Disagree. Moles hasn't proved a thing either, Everitt and Williams (and Callan) very little.

How good do you think 'most sides' 22nd best player is mjp?

I think Reid would make most sides best 22.

[comrade]

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Cameron Wood is out for 4-6 weeks with a torn tendon in his finger, so Fraser will be a certain starter in Round 1 (source)

[mjp]

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How good do you think 'most sides' 22nd best player is mjp?

I think Reid would make most sides best 22.

He would be 'in the mix', just as he is at our club. What has he played? 6 games? Averaged probably 10-12 touches?

I don't think he is much better or worse than the 22nd player at most clubs. He has some talent, no doubt about that - but he hasn't proved much and certainly hasn't done so much that we can say he would be a regular first team player elsewhere.

There is a large part of our list that we call 'depth' but is really just unproven talent. We really dont know what Reid (or Moles, or Addison, or...) would do if they had to play every week, let alone if they had to play significant minutes. Someone like Reid has shown a bit, but just like the basketball player who hits a few shots coming off the bench, that doesn't always translate into being a reliable (and regular) part of the rotation.

Is this part of our list better than other clubs? Probably not - not really. But we have a long list of genuine A-grade talent (Cooney, Cross, Boyd, Gilbee, Morris, Lake, Murphy, Hall, Akermanis) and a super strong supporting cast (Hudson, Gia, Picken, Hahn, Eagleton, Shaggy, Harbrow, Griffen, Higgins, Ward) that isn't matched by too many other sides. Sure, we HOPE that the Hills and Reids and Everitts and what not come through...but if they do it is a bonus. Our strength is at the top of the list - like everyone, we have our share of unproven draftees (like Reid) and 2nd/3rd chance hopefuls (Callan, Moles) who we are depending on to hold the fort in small bursts. If the game ends up in their hands though - just like everyone else - we will be in trouble.

[Go_Dogs]

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I'm trying to pick our best 22 after last nights performances and what we now know with Hahn and Johnson out....and it's very difficult to do.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I'm trying to pick our best 22 after last nights performances and what we now know with Hahn and Johnson out....and it's very difficult to do.

I think that makes it much easier. I had at least 24 certain starters.


Backs: Harbrow Lake Morris Gilbee Williams Hargrave
Forwards: Hall Murphy Akermanis Giansiracusa Everitt Higgins
Mids: Hudson Cooney Boyd Griffen Cross Moles
Inter: Minson Picken Hill Ward*

I have left out Eagle whether his back is OK or not. Eagle would be next in line if Ward's groin is no good but if Eagle doesn't come up either, Wood is next.

Our midfield depth isn't as good as we think. It's handy that Moles looks like an AFL player.

[Go_Dogs]

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I think that makes it much easier. I had at least 24 certain starters.


Backs: Harbrow Lake Morris Gilbee Williams Hargrave
Forwards: Hall Murphy Akermanis Giansiracusa Everitt Higgins
Mids: Hudson Cooney Boyd Griffen Cross Moles
Inter: Minson Picken Hill Ward*

I have left out Eagle whether his back is OK or not. Eagle would be next in line if Ward's groin is no good but if Eagle doesn't come up either, Wood is next.

Our midfield depth isn't as good as we think. It's handy that Moles looks like an AFL player.

Looks like a pretty solid side.

I'd certainly have Addison ahead of Wood based on last nights efforts, and would be really trying to squeeze him into the 22 somewhere, especially given he can play down back on Collingwoods many small forwards.

I think Eagleton will play, given he is always selected if fit. Picken and Ward are the ones that I have question marks over.

Picken - can't recall who he tagged last time we played Collingwood, but can probably take a role on Davis or Didak.

Ward - whilst he is slightly more versatile than Cross/Boyd in that he can play a few different positions, but adds much the same with his contested ball winning abilities. He's looked a step behind the play in the last couple of games, and the injury may allow for him to miss without upsetting too many people.