What is wrong with this team?

[Bornadog]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

Agree with that.

The behind the goal vision showed a lack of movement for our kick outs even in the first qtr..... It was shitful. Gilbee & Harbrow would have been incredibly frustrated with the lack of options they had.

The fact still remains that players like Gia and Hill and to a lesser extent Higgins still need to find a way to get into the game even when the ball isn't getting into our forwardline. If this means they have to push into the back half to create an option then do it, sure beats getting bored up forward waiting for the ball to come down.

To an extent Gia and Higgins do move away from the forward line, whereas Hill looks a little lost.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

Not really - we were in control for most of the first half, tired in the end and continually turned the ball over with tired kicks to contests as we couldn't run & create space.

You don't think we looked tired?

Not disputing that we were tired at all.


Just saying that I think we were completely dominated towards the end of the game. They had almost double the number of I50's, and about 40-50 more disposals. Geelong were only just beaten in the I50's, and had plenty more disposal (yes, I know they are a high disposal team, but it illustrates that they continued to work, and were competitive).

Freo smashed Geelong in the last quarter. They kicked 6.5 in the last quarter.

Yes, and Geelong kicked 3.2 in the last, as much as we kicked in the entire second half!

Not sure if you caught the Freo v Geelong game or not, but I would hardly say Fremantle dominated them. They got a run on in the end and got a few goals, but it was hardly to the level that we were smashed on Saturday night.

[Dazza]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

I'm starting to think I'd prefer our midfielders get pinged for holding the ball than to just bang it on the boot from the centre clearance. We turn the ball over so much doing this and it hurts us badly going the other way. It would be a different story if the ball got inside the f50 but currently the balls dropping short of the 50 and Murphy is usually going 2 against 1 and the backman run off our forwards on the turnover.

Our mids need a kick up the arse after last weeks effort.

[Topdog]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

Yes, and Geelong kicked 3.2 in the last, as much as we kicked in the entire second half!

Not sure if you caught the Freo v Geelong game or not, but I would hardly say Fremantle dominated them. They got a run on in the end and got a few goals, but it was hardly to the level that we were smashed on Saturday night.

I saw it and Geelong's goals came from breaks. Freo were in complete control in the last quarter and sure it wasn't as badly as we were dominated but they still were comprehensively outplayed in the last.

[Desipura]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

At present more than half of our forwards are unable to exert any influence unless the ball is deleivered to them on a silver platter and that isn't good enough.

True. Also if Murphy does not get a metre on his opponent, we then kick it long to Barry.
He is not renowned for taking pack marks so when it spills to ground, our crumbers are not nippy/quick enough to reap the rewards or are not applying enough defensive pressure.

A centre half forward who can take an overhead mark would be handy.
We do not have a CHF at present, so it all boils down to not having enough run out of the midfield which results in poor delivery into the forward line.

[DOG GOD]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

I get very frustrated when i think of Hill's first few games last year where he played a roving wing, hfward and did quite well, only to see the coaching stafff try to turn him into a permanent marking fwd. Hill's best attribute is his leap and overhead marking, which would be a great asset in the midfield, similar to a brennan without the engine ofcourse.

Talking of Gia, could he play a hbf role, similar to that that Johnstone played for Brisbane. If Gia's kicking is as good as what some think on here, could this be a possibility?

[giaco]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

I get very frustrated when i think of Hill's first few games last year where he played a roving wing, hfward and did quite well, only to see the coaching stafff try to turn him into a permanent marking fwd. Hill's best attribute is his leap and overhead marking, which would be a great asset in the midfield, similar to a brennan without the engine ofcourse.

I was just thinking the same thing. Hill is just wasting away up forward. Why not give him a couple of games up the field to get his confidence up? He's a good option on the way out of the backline because of his marking, and he uses it quite well too. Maybe this will happen when Johnno comes back as he will probably play deeper forward because of lack of fitness.

I also think that Grant has to be thrown in for a 3-4 game stint at sometime this year, so that we can make a call on him at the end of the year.

[Sedat]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

Freo smashed Geelong in the last quarter. They kicked 6.5 in the last quarter.

Geelong were still in front with 1.24 left on the clock. They were in the contest for longer than we were against Brisbane because they didn't take unfit/injured players with them to Perth.

[Missing Dog]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

I would rather have this form slump now then come September we will be ok this team has something very special about it

[Topdog]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

Geelong were still in front with 1.24 left on the clock. They were in the contest for longer than we were against Brisbane because they didn't take unfit/injured players with them to Perth.

probably because they were suspended

[Sedat]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

probably because they were suspended

Some were, but they did rest Ottens and played a first gamer, Dawson Simpson, in his place. Not sure we would have done the same thing.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

If we win next week, we're in the same situation as last year. If we then go on to beat the Saints (tough ask but not impossible), we'll actually be one win ahead.

Yes, we're not playing well, but I still have enough faith to be believe that we'll get it right in time to secure a top 4 berth. I'd rather we play badly now, than in August.

Hopefully a second poor loss is the catalyst for some players to start working harder.

I don't think we have particularly started the last couple of seasons that well. The difference is though that we haven't previously won the pre-season comp which I think is playing havoc with supporters expectations.

The next 3 games will tell us a lot. We should smash the crows and account for Melbourne. The Saints game is winnable, especially as they don't have "the soft touch diver".

Lets reassess after round 7/8 with a third of the season gone.

[LostDoggy]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

True. Also if Murphy does not get a metre on his opponent, we then kick it long to Barry.
He is not renowned for taking pack marks so when it spills to ground, our crumbers are not nippy/quick enough to reap the rewards or are not applying enough defensive pressure.

A centre half forward who can take an overhead mark would be handy.
We do not have a CHF at present, so it all boils down to not having enough run out of the midfield which results in poor delivery into the forward line.

I will say it again - i would love to see Everitt played alongside Murphy across Half Forward. Get him out of the defensive area where he just doesnt seem comfortable and let him present an option. He has decent size and seems to have upped his intensity this year. Please give it a go Rocket.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

I will say it again - i would love to see Everitt played alongside Murphy across Half Forward. Get him out of the defensive area where he just doesnt seem comfortable and let him present an option. He has decent size and seems to have upped his intensity this year. Please give it a go Rocket.

Yep - never been a fan of Everitt as a defender, despite his improvement in the role this year.

We can't play both Hill and Everitt in the forward half, but considering Josh's form - I'd either drop him or move him onto the wing to allow Andrejs hold a spot at CHF.

[Remi Moses]

Re: What is wrong with this team?

''On the Couch'' had a stat that we had recorded the second amount of turnovers ever!!! I believe it was 94 or 95,a very very embarassing stat that one