Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

[Missing Dog]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

Been on a bender?? You couldn't be straight and honestly believe this?

Its no less a plan than what Eade's was which failed for 120 minutes. Yes failed. You tell me: we score 46 points in 120 minutes when we usually score over 110, who do you think won the tactical battle?

The point of having Hall is NOT that we weren't scoring enough last season, hell we scored more than anyone. Hall is there to take the grab in the square from the hopeful bomb to the square in tight games. Every time I saw him he had two big bodies around him. Make it two on two with Rougie there, bring it to ground and give the crumbs a chance.

What did we get? The half backs waxing it for ages and going nowhere. Epic tactical fail.

[Mantis]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

Its no less a plan than what Eade's was which failed for 120 minutes. Yes failed. You tell me: we score 46 points in 120 minutes when we usually score over 110, who do you think won the tactical battle?

The point of having Hall is NOT that we weren't scoring enough last season, hell we scored more than anyone. Hall is there to take the grab in the square from the hopeful bomb to the square in tight games. Every time I saw him he had two big bodies around him. Make it two on two with Rougie there, bring it to ground and give the crumbs a chance.

What did we get? The half backs waxing it for ages and going nowhere. Epic tactical fail.

So you can categorically tell me that our plan was to chip the ball around?

If you can well good for you, but I can't believe that our intention was to play this way. Personally I think Rocket will be disappointed with the way we appeared gun shy in and around out attacking 50.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

My heart is broken tonight, so many things couldve or shouldnt have happened and we walk away with the points.

I am gutted, they kicked 3 goals for 3.8 quarters and we let them have 3 in the last 4 minutes.

Harbrow will get big bucks at GC next year.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

So you can categorically tell me that our plan was to chip the ball around?

If you can well good for you, but I can't believe that our intention was to play this way. Personally I think Rocket will be disappointed with the way we appeared gun shy in and around out attacking 50.

No OUR plan was not to chip it around. It was THEIR plan to make us chip it around. And sit back and hit us on the counter. Thats the problem. Eade allowed the entire four quarters to be played on THEIR terms. Lyons smirk said it all.

In a game like this you sometimes need to let it rip up the guts and hope that your forwards ie Hall and roughhead, grant, hahn will get a contested grab or crumb a goal. Instead of going side to side and backwards waiting to nail the precision pass inside 50. You don't do it for four quarters when you've kicked just 6 goals

[knowitall]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

Eade was out coached. For the saints to play the same game plan for 4 quarters and for us to have no answer is a coaching failure. Too many passes across half back and then going wide hoping to hit a target. IMO we should have set up with Hall and Roughead in the square with a couple of smalls nearby crumbing, and two half forwards out wide to keep their defenders hones, with the instruction for the midfielders to run down the middle and bomb long to the square.

I don't know how you can genuinely think this would work. If we had two talls up forward, the Saints would be all over us. The way their defenders run off their direct opponents to take a mark in the defensive fifty (Gilbert, Fisher ect) and help out a team mate wouldn't allow for us to do that.

How do you believe that the Saints didn't change their game plan? The amount of times they took us on through the middle of the ground in the last quarter was atleast 400% up on what it was for the first three quarters.

In saying that, they did also stick to their original game plan at times.

I think what it came down to was skill errors (especially typical fumbling from players, Grant and Gilbee both missing very kickable goals in last quarter), and game sense errors (Gia playing on when he should have settled, gone back, and had a shot, Hahn turning inside to handball to Williams in the last quarter who was under pressure when Addison had spread off to the open wing - resulting in a Milne 'the rat' goal)

IMO, almost everyone who has commented on the game is being a bit harsh. The Bulldogs played some good football against a very good side in St. Kilda, who stuck to their game plan (disgusting, ugly to watch game plan, but very effective game plan). The boys deserved to win this game, if it wasn't for those few fumbles and decision making errors in the last quarter. They'll jump back on the horse and show Melbourne not to get too ahead of themselves next week (like we may have done after NAB cup)

Thoughts?

[Missing Dog]

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I don't know how you can genuinely think this would work. If we had two talls up forward, the Saints would be all over us. The way their defenders run off their direct opponents to take a mark in the defensive fifty (Gilbert, Fisher ect) and help out a team mate wouldn't allow for us to do that.

Hall was mostly ineffective and whenever I saw him he had two tall bodies around him. Not saying play with two talls all night, but give Hall some help and go long down the middle.

How do you believe that the Saints didn't change their game plan? The amount of times they took us on through the middle of the ground in the last quarter was atleast 400% up on what it was for the first three quarters.

That WAS their game plan. Stifle our scoring, as they knew they wouldn't win in a shoot out, hope for a goal on the counter but come back to win it at the death.

What did Eade change up?

In saying that, they did also stick to their original game plan at times.

Yeah for about 110 minutes.

I think what it came down to was skill errors (especially typical fumbling from players, Grant and Gilbee both missing very kickable goals in last quarter), and game sense errors (Gia playing on when he should have settled, gone back, and had a shot, Hahn turning inside to handball to Williams in the last quarter who was under pressure when Addison had spread off to the open wing - resulting in a Milne 'the rat' goal)

yeah all true. but 46 points..

IMO, almost everyone who has commented on the game is being a bit harsh. The Bulldogs played some good football against a very good side in St. Kilda, who stuck to their game plan (disgusting, ugly to watch game plan, but very effective game plan).

Now you've confused me

The boys deserved to win this game, if it wasn't for those few fumbles and decision making errors in the last quarter. They'll jump back on the horse and show Melbourne not to get too ahead of themselves next week (like we may have done after NAB cup)

Thoughts?

They won it when it matttered. Without their best player.

[AndrewP6]

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IMO, almost everyone who has commented on the game is being a bit harsh. The Bulldogs played some good football against a very good side in St. Kilda, who stuck to their game plan (disgusting, ugly to watch game plan, but very effective game plan). The boys deserved to win this game, if it wasn't for those few fumbles and decision making errors in the last quarter. They'll jump back on the horse and show Melbourne not to get too ahead of themselves next week (like we may have done after NAB cup)

Thoughts?

Can't agree with this. To have a team on toast, who has struggled to score all night, and to have a 23 point lead in a low scoring game and cough it all up in about 8 minutes, is pitiful. To lack any semblance of finishing ability in the F50, and be unable to capitalise on errors made by opponents, is shocking. We deserved to win the game apart from the only time that counts - at the end. We had them on toast, and GAVE them the win. Disgraceful. At this rate, we'll struggle to beat Melbourne.

[KT31]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

IMO, almost everyone who has commented on the game is being a bit harsh. The Bulldogs played some good football against a very good side in St. Kilda, who stuck to their game plan (disgusting, ugly to watch game plan, but very effective game plan). The boys deserved to win this game, if it wasn't for those few fumbles and decision making errors in the last quarter. They'll jump back on the horse and show Melbourne not to get too ahead of themselves next week (like we may have done after NAB cup)

Thoughts?

How so we squandered opportunities , turned the ball over and kicked to fewer numbers.
And worst of all we lost.

[knowitall]

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Hall was mostly ineffective and whenever I saw him he had two tall bodies around him. Not saying play with two talls all night, but give Hall some help and go long down the middle.

That WAS their game plan. Stifle our scoring, as they knew they wouldn't win in a shoot out, hope for a goal on the counter but come back to win it at the death.

What did Eade change up?

Yeah for about 110 minutes.

yeah all true. but 46 points..


Now you've confused me


They won it when it matttered. Without their best player.

Eade didn't change much up at all, because we seemed to be controlling the game very well, until a few costly errors from players I've mentioned. What we did was working the whole game.

I meant they also stuck to their game plan in the last quarter, instead of just going down the guts which they did a fair bit in the last, and didn't do any of in the previous three quarters.

They won when it mattered, you are right, but at the end of the day, we handed it to them on a platter because of simple fumbling and decision making errors.

[knowitall]

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Can't agree with this. To have a team on toast, who has struggled to score all night, and to have a 23 point lead in a low scoring game and cough it all up in about 8 minutes, is pitiful. To lack any semblance of finishing ability in the F50, and be unable to capitalise on errors made by opponents, is shocking. We deserved to win the game apart from the only time that counts - at the end. We had them on toast, and GAVE them the win. Disgraceful. At this rate, we'll struggle to beat Melbourne.

I agree completely.

By saying we deserved to win this.. I meant that the loss didn't have anything to do with a lack of effort or workrate, and that is all is asked of the players week in and week out.

In modern day AFL football, we can't afford to have as many costly errors as we did in the last quarter against a top 4 team in the competition. But atleast the players gave 100% and that is all we can ask as supporters.

[AndrewP6]

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I agree completely.

By saying we deserved to win this.. I meant that the loss didn't have anything to do with a lack of effort or workrate, and that is all is asked of the players week in and week out.

In modern day AFL football, we can't afford to have as many costly errors as we did in the last quarter against a top 4 team in the competition. But atleast the players gave 100% and that is all we can ask as supporters.

And perhaps we have to accept that their best simply isn't good enough. Sounds bad, I know, but when the game is there to be won, we don't win.

[Missing Dog]

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Eade didn't change much up at all, because we seemed to be controlling the game very well, until a few costly errors from players I've mentioned. What we did was working the whole game.

OK well we'll agree to disagree. IMO 6 goals to three quarter time warrants a change in game plan, and doesn't constitute a winning position. Leon cameron said so at three quarter time, yet no changes were made. doesn't make sense to me for a coach to be happy with that when we usually have 12 or 14 goals by then.

[knowitall]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

OK well we'll agree to disagree. IMO 6 goals to three quarter time warrants a change in game plan, and doesn't constitute a winning position. Leon cameron said so at three quarter time, yet no changes were made. doesn't make sense to me for a coach to be happy with that when we usually have 12 or 14 goals by then.

Let's agree to disagree, but IMO, a team being 3 goals up at three quarter time in a VERY low scoring affair should not warrant any change in game plan..

Why does it matter the amount of goals we've scored against other teams up to three quarter time? Big deal! Every game is different.

[KT31]

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Let's agree to disagree, but IMO, a team being 3 goals up at three quarter time in a VERY low scoring affair should not warrant any change in game plan..
Why does it matter the amount of goals we've scored against other teams up to three quarter time? Big deal! Every game is different.

Unless the oposition has a game plan to be within three goals at three quarter time and has a plan to step it up in the last ten minutes of the last quarter.

[macca]

Re: Game Day - R6 Western Bulldogs vs St Kilda

I hate losing to st kilda, especially after last years prelim. And losing like that tonight when Grant should've get that goal and Gia's got smothered really is shocking. They just have to want it. Grant has to believe he can kick it 40m in front on angle.

Hahn should've went back and had a kick in the 2nd quarter when he was 40m infront.

We need to execute these goals. Eade was out coached and played into Lyon's hands tonight. Lyon swapped Milne onto Hargrave, and let Arimtage to be unmarked.

Harbrow was BOG for the doggies. He has real dash, and some amazing balance going through traffic and knows how to find the ball. Gives us so much on the rebound.