Animal Farm

[Desipura]

Re: Animal Farm

thats not how I remember Animal Farm.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Animal Farm

I am sick and tired of our supporters accepting mediocrity in any discussion of the great writers of the 20th century.

I don't know about that - I thought Aldiss was pretty hard at it and Le Guin was nearly a gun.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Animal Farm

It was a reference to those of us who left BF to find a place where we didn't have to put up with having our club slagged off after every loss by massive over-reactions, only to find that ultimately our Utopia is no different to where we originally came from.

Or, as the chorus of sheep in Animal Farm might say:

"WOOF good, BF baaaad."

[Bornadog]

Re: Animal Farm

I have no idea what this thread is all about.

I thought it was about SS

[hujsh]

Re: Animal Farm

I thought it was about SS

I thought it was about the threat of communism on the AFL.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Animal Farm

Don't worry about Lantern. Most of his posts are just copy and paste jobs from Wikipedia

Touche.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Animal Farm

I gave up on 1984, just didn't get it. Never heard of the rest of your list (except 'A Clockwork Orange' and only because of the movie).

The movie is missing an ending, only because the US edition of the book only has 20 chapters instead of 21 (although Anthony Burgess deliberately structured the book in 3x7 chapter blocks) because the American editors of the day felt that the final chapter in the book was too 'optimistic'. Kubrick made the movie based on the US edition (the only one he had ever read) and Burgess hates it.

As a reaction Burgess wrote a stage version of 'A Clockwork Orange' that has shown around the world quite a bit (there was an Australian adaptation a few years ago which was reasonably good), and which he considers the 'definitive' script treatment of his book, and it is definitely better than the movie.


-- Wikipedia (not, happened to have read and taught this stuff ad nauseum and used to freelance for some journals my post-graduate days, a lifetime ago).

[The Underdog]

Re: Animal Farm

I am sick and tired of our supporters accepting mediocrity in any discussion of the great writers of the 20th century.

It was all well and good until we started on the existentialists in the last quarter.

[Murphy'sLore]

Re: Animal Farm

What about that deconstructionalist crap the Saints dish out?

[AndrewP6]

Re: Animal Farm

I am sick and tired of our supporters accepting mediocrity in any discussion of the great writers of the 20th century.

Then my passion for ZOO Weekly wouldn't go down well ? It has words AND pictures.

[Greystache]

Re: Animal Farm

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." ... such a fantastic line

Perhaps we could adopt that line for WOOF

"All Bulldogs players are equal, but some are more equal than others... In post loss discussions"

[LostDoggy]

Re: Animal Farm

I'm going to be smacked around, but George Orwell, while an insightful social commentator of sorts, is really no more than a middling writer with severe plotting, pacing and character development shortcomings. 1984 is fascinating, but quite unreadable in parts. I will say that his notoriety in tackling certain social issues of his day (and ours, for that matter) and being part of a certain literati circle (connected to the 'right people' esp. literary critics) lent him a greater profile than his limited talent has warranted.

For much more erudite (and entertaining!) treatments of similar subject matter, see We (1921) by Yevgeny Zamyatin (which Orwell pretty much ripped off -- ahem -- was influenced by), or greater but lesser known works such as A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter Miller, Ray Bradbury's stuff, or any variety of social science fiction (especially in short story form) written in the 60s/70s by the likes of Le Guin, Ellison, Aldiss etc., and of course the brilliant A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess.

Geez that's going in hard -- "middling writer"... Read his essays, start with the one on Dickens, who really is overrated. Pulls Dickens' pants down in that one, and Tolstoy will never recover from Orwell's brilliant savaging.

[Charlie the Wonder Dog]

Re: Animal Farm

It was all well and good until we started on the existentialists in the last quarter.

Correct Weight!

[LostDoggy]

Re: Animal Farm

What about that deconstructionalist crap the Saints dish out?

^^^

I love it. Lyon's certainly abstracted the experience of space on the field (a la Daniel Liebiskind -- see the plans of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, which St.Kilda's gameplan must surely look like -- or Derrida's phenomenological no-cause/effect musings.. "if we win when we play like that it was the game conditions and opposition that we were playing to, to win"), forcing intuitive impressionists/process artists like Rocket (who I see in the vein of a Jackson Pollock or Cy Twombly -- "I trust my experience because I've experienced it all and have the intellectual capacity to filter my experience effectively") to adapt or die.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Animal Farm

^^^

I love it. Lyon's certainly abstracted the experience of space on the field (a la Daniel Liebiskind -- see the plans of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, which St.Kilda's gameplan must surely look like -- or Derrida's phenomenological no-cause/effect musings.. "if we win when we play like that it was the game conditions and opposition that we were playing to, to win"), forcing intuitive impressionists/process artists like Rocket (who I see in the vein of a Jackson Pollock or Cy Twombly -- "I trust my experience because I've experienced it all and have the intellectual capacity to filter my experience effectively") to adapt or die.

That might be slightly overestimating a man - Eade - whose favourite artist is Green Day...