Round 9 - Team Selection

[comrade]

Re: Round 9 - Team Selection

Hill plays like a third tall. Stack plays like a zippy goal sneak.

Which one do we have a greater need for?

I'd say for structural reasons alone, Stack should stay in, particularly if we're going to rush Johnno back (which I don't necessarily agree with).

As for others, Hahn got better as the game wore on (after I potted him in the game day thread ) but Shaggy is quickly cashing in all his credits. Just doesn't look the assured player we saw blossom last year.

Without seeing Willy play this week, perhaps Wood could be a chance? His form hasn't been blistering but he has been on the emergency list a few times, so he's thereabouts and could be a direct positional swap.

[Rocco Jones]

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Shaggy is quickly cashing in all his credits. Just doesn't look the assured player we saw blossom last year.

Without seeing Willy play this week, perhaps Wood could be a chance? His form hasn't been blistering but he has been on the emergency list a few times, so he's thereabouts and could be a direct positional swap.

I have Shaggy as just about the most underrated Bulldog I've seen but agree that he has really struggled this year.

There can be a very fine betweeen being a versatile defender who can play on a variety of opponents and the opposite where a weakness keeps on being exposed. Shaggy was great from early-mid 09 to 10, providing us with an option for lead up/ground work tall forwards and medium and small mediums. He offered that wonderful mix of rebound and defence. Best of all he allowed his fellow defenders to play on more suitable opponents.

Right now he looks a shadow of all that. He has struggled with the neck injury and I would like to give him another chance. If he is to be replaced I think it should be by a returning Dre.

[comrade]

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If he is to be replaced I think it should be by a returning Dre.

Good call, RJ - I forgot about Dre.

[DOG GOD]

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Once we get our full team on the park i feel that Hill, Grant and Stack will be playing for the one spot. Cant see fitting 2 or 3 of them in there.

[choconmientay]

Re: Round 9 - Team Selection

Hill plays like a third tall. Stack plays like a zippy goal sneak.

Which one do we have a greater need for?

I'd say for structural reasons alone, Stack should stay in, particularly if we're going to rush Johnno back (which I don't necessarily agree with).

For me too Stack should keep his spot. He clicked more with Hall in the forward line. He got a good run in the last 2 matches and is growing in confidence.

Hill is currently not doing enough. He's lacking intensity in tackling. His kicking is lacking in precision. Even as a tall forward, he is losing out to Grant.

Once we get our full team on the park i feel that Hill, Grant and Stack will be playing for the one spot. Cant see fitting 2 or 3 of them in there.

I fully agreed. And we will have to rotate them depend what the opponent are.

[Doc26]

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I can feel a barrage of criticism coming from what appears the numerous Dylan admirers on this forum and I appreciate he is filling a stopping role created through Liam's injury but his deficiencies hurt and expose us too often. I admire his determination and attitude but even with this I don't get the push for him to retain his place. Attitude will only take you so far. Dylan's skill deficiencies particularly with his disposal choices and in his delivery by foot and resultant turnovers are not up to scratch for players at this level, not close. I don't believe that we should accept such mediocracy over attitude.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Round 9 - Team Selection

I can feel a barrage of criticism coming from what appears the numerous Dylan admirers on this forum and I appreciate he is filling a stopping role created through Liam's injury but his deficiencies hurt and expose us too often. I admire his determination and attitude but even with this I don't get the push for him to retain his place. Attitude will only take you so far. Dylan's skill deficiencies particularly with his disposal choices and in his delivery by foot and resultant turnovers are not up to scratch for players at this level, not close. I don't believe that we should accept such mediocracy over attitude.

Who said we should? He isn't competing for a spot in the 22 with Ryan Griffen, he is competing with Hill and Eagleton. Eagle's skill under pressure is very ordinary and has turned the ball. At least Addison fills a role in the side and sends a statement about the attitude expected.

North clearly rely on Boomer and Wells for creativity and I would definitely go with two close checking roles which suits Dylan.

I am actually not a huge admirer of Addison, just think he brings more to the team than someone like Eagleton while Picken is out. When Liam, Ward and Reid are right in the selection frame again, I think Addison will/should struggle to get a look in.

[GVGjr]

Re: Round 9 - Team Selection

I can feel a barrage of criticism coming from what appears the numerous Dylan admirers on this forum and I appreciate he is filling a stopping role created through Liam's injury but his deficiencies hurt and expose us too often. I admire his determination and attitude but even with this I don't get the push for him to retain his place. Attitude will only take you so far. Dylan's skill deficiencies particularly with his disposal choices and in his delivery by foot and resultant turnovers are not up to scratch for players at this level, not close. I don't believe that we should accept such mediocracy over attitude.

At close to a full strength side, Addison will struggle to hold his spot but he has performed reasonably well and certainly isn't a liability.
You need players like him and Callan on the list to add some depth.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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Lock Williams in for every game this season unless he becomes injured. He is beginning to deliver on his promise and can only get better. A tall athletic CHB is a godsend. Griffen and Johnson in for Hill and Addison for mine. Johnno is critical for our forward line options and Addison is dispensible.

[LostDoggy]

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Johnson will not come back via Willy and nor should he.

Why shouldn't he.

One of the reasons we have the magoos is for players to be able to get match form and fitness after a lengthy spell on the sidelines. He has only played 2-3 games and we have gone 7 rounds.

He should not be treated any differently to other players. That is the Footscray of old.

[Rocco Jones]

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Why shouldn't he.

Because some posters can't separate emotion and logic.

I find it really amusing that mindless positively is fine on this board but if someone says something negative, they are required to back it up with a thesis on the topic.

Johnno has:
- Had a heavily interrupted pre-sesaon
- Played and struggled in R1
- Injured and missed R2
- Struggled in R3
- Injured calf was it? Missed another game
- Was decent in R5
- Injured groin and missed two games

Perhaps coming straight into the hustle and flow of AFL isn't actually what's best for Johnno. VFL is a slower pace and he can concentrate on getting his body right without having to worry about adding value to the team.

I am actually a big believer in rewarding loyalty. If it's anywhere near 50/50 I am up for renewing contracts of players who have offered great service to the club. To demand loyalty, you need to demonstrate it yourself. I am fine with it playing a part on getting on the list again but not a guaranteed spot in the 22.

[Sedat]

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Will be interesting to see how North structures up next week. Petrie is on the verge of returning, Hale looks like he might miss, Macintosh will probably come back in - they'll likely go in pretty tall if you factor in Goldstein. You'd imagine two rucks will be mandatory this week.

Wth Harvey and Wells both in strong form, there's room in the team next week for both Picken and Addison IMO. I'm happy to back Picken in to be 100% ready for action being such a dedicated professional.

[Scorlibo]

Re: Round 9 - Team Selection

I can feel a barrage of criticism coming from what appears the numerous Dylan admirers on this forum and I appreciate he is filling a stopping role created through Liam's injury but his deficiencies hurt and expose us too often. I admire his determination and attitude but even with this I don't get the push for him to retain his place. Attitude will only take you so far. Dylan's skill deficiencies particularly with his disposal choices and in his delivery by foot and resultant turnovers are not up to scratch for players at this level, not close. I don't believe that we should accept such mediocracy over attitude.

I think his disposal is vastly underrated, he has a very good action and hits targets more often than not.

For a period at the start of 2008, Dylan was travelling very well and showed that at his best he is very good in the one on one situation and rarely wastes the ball.

[Rocco Jones]

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Wth Harvey and Wells both in strong form, there's room in the team next week for both Picken and Addison IMO. I'm happy to back Picken in to be 100% ready for action being such a dedicated professional.

Totally agree that there's a spot for both of them against North but unsure whether to play Picken straight up.

North depend on Wells and Boomer so much for creativity. You can pretty much sacrifice two players on them because the rest of their runners aren't very damaging.

[EasternWest]

Re: Round 9 - Team Selection

I can feel a barrage of criticism coming from what appears the numerous Dylan admirers on this forum and I appreciate he is filling a stopping role created through Liam's injury but his deficiencies hurt and expose us too often. I admire his determination and attitude but even with this I don't get the push for him to retain his place. Attitude will only take you so far. Dylan's skill deficiencies particularly with his disposal choices and in his delivery by foot and resultant turnovers are not up to scratch for players at this level, not close. I don't believe that we should accept such mediocracy over attitude.

There's a difference between bagging a guy out and saying why you would prefer them out of the team and explaining your reasons.

As a staunch Dylan fan, I have no problem with what you said, though I disagree.

I think his disposal is far better than he gets credit for. It's not the best in the team, and it has its moments, but on the whole I find that he does ok. Interestingly enough, I think he's better by foot than by hand.

I would have thought on current form there would be more focus on Hargrave and the fact that he is a complete liability defensively (which I've always thought has been poor if he plays anyone his size or higher) and his usually fairly good disposal is woeful.