Are we being hypocritical?

[EasternWest]

Ok, I'll start this thread by saying I haven't seen the game yet. I listened to it live and have since read the news reports and the posts here, and I've been thinking a bit about it.

There seems to be a lot of vitriol thrown at North for their attempts to rile Hall, but I'm curious to know from those that saw the game/are making these comments: was the Hall treatment any different from the relentless physical harassment we applied to Riewoldt in the PF last year? Is it any different from the treatement that Picken (and pretty much every other tagger IMO) dishes out?

FWIW from what I've seen on the news etc and read, it looked like he was getting a fair bit of attention, but he's a big boy. I'll agree that in general play he really struggles to get free kicks paid, probably due to his reputation, but I've never really had a problem with players niggling each other incessantly, provided it doesn't cross the line.

So, did it cross the line?

I'm not posting this thread to be antagonistic, so please don't pot me for asking the question. I'm just curious to know what has caused this scenario to raise such ire.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

was the Hall treatment any different from the relentless physical harassment we applied to Riewoldt in the PF last year?

Difference being, Riewoldt gets frees for like and softer incidents, and Hall gets none.

[SonofScray]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

No, we are not. The niggle was fine. The poor officiating was not - mark my words you simply would not get away with it against another forward. Plenty of heat on Barry, but everyone froze wanting to see if he would snap.

The scuffle started because the umpires refused to look after Hall. The drama started when he was set upon by up to five players as he tried to leave the field. Pratt even punched him from behind. They launched themselves at a bloke with his arms up in the air, having walked away from the blue. Some tried to instigate another wrestle, others played for frees by headbutting others took cheap shots. All the while the umpires were telling off Basil, warning him to not to react.

What a load of bollocks.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Nth were going in all day with cheap shots and all the three monkeys could do was talk to Hall and tell him to settle FFS pay a free again the Roos in the forward line and treat all players the same.

Hall and Gia were fair targets all day aqnd THAT pissed me off

[SonofScray]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Within the first 10 mins I noted there were wuite a few late hits. Nothing severe but just enough that the intent was there and that they were going after a few blokes.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

It's very hard to tell what's going on when watching TV. For example, Liam Picken and Brent Harvey traded free kicks all night and the cameras were not able to capture any of it.
The Fullbacks are smart right. They know that when the ball is down the other end, that's the time to pinch, pull the shorts, dig a knuckle in the kidney or whatever. I spoke to people who went to the game and they said it was pretty constant from North. None of this bothers me.
Yes he was headbutted, niggled, poked in the back, usual stuff. Forget all that. Brad Scott was correct, nothing you would not expect from a fullback.

What bugs me frankly is when a guy is trying to leave the field, the excessive group swarm. It's not uncommon for a player to cop a bump, heading to the bench. Fair enough, one on one.

However, to have it done in a group is a poor reflection of sportsmanship, disrespectful to the game or I suppose, indication of a club culture gone wrong. Can you imagine us doing that, even to St Nick ? A big cluster f**k of players taunting an individual as he leaves the field and knocking him about when he has his hands in the air?

I thought our discipline was good. Barry will swallow his medicine and I thought the crowd and other players, coach supported him well. Even saw Ryan Hargrave give him a little comforting pat on the leg while together on the bench. Don't get Aker started on that kind of thing!

Barry drew defenders to him like a magnet last night, often allowing stack or others to crumb. Should have taken a few marks but otherwise, played an important role.

Only lowly teams like Richmond and Hawthorn feel the need to get on the angry pills instead of getting on with the job. Look where that gets them.

[anfo27]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

It's very hard to tell what's going on when watching TV. For example, Liam Picken and Brent Harvey traded free kicks all night and the cameras were not able to capture any of it.
The Fullbacks are smart right. They know that when the ball is down the other end, that's the time to pinch, pull the shorts, dig a knuckle in the kidney or whatever. I spoke to people who went to the game and they said it was pretty constant from North. None of this bothers me.
Yes he was headbutted, niggled, poked in the back, usual stuff. Forget all that. Brad Scott was correct, nothing you would not expect from a fullback.

What bugs me frankly is when a guy is trying to leave the field, the excessive group swarm. It's not uncommon for a player to cop a bump, heading to the bench. Fair enough, one on one.

However, to have it done in a group is a poor reflection of sportsmanship, disrespectful to the game or I suppose, indication of a club culture gone wrong. Can you imagine us doing that, even to St Nick ? A big cluster f**k of players taunting an individual as he leaves the field and knocking him about when he has his hands in the air?

I thought our discipline was good. Barry will swallow his medicine and I thought the crowd and other players, coach supported him well. Even saw Ryan Hargrave give him a little comforting pat on the leg while together on the bench. Don't get Aker started on that kind of thing!

Barry drew defenders to him like a magnet last night, often allowing stack or others to crumb. Should have taken a few marks but otherwise, played an important role.

Only lowly teams like Richmond and Hawthorn feel the need to get on the angry pills instead of getting on with the job. Look where that gets them.

Thats what really upset me and to see it over and over on tv and not see any of our blokes helping him out was very disappointing. I was at the game and only saw Lake run in to give Hall a hand when he was running to the bench.

I don't have a problem with a bit of niggle butfor the whole team to go out of their way to bump him and get in his face is disgaceful, but should we expect anything less from a Brad Scott team?

[EasternWest]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Difference being, Riewoldt gets frees for like and softer incidents, and Hall gets none.

I agree 100% with this statement, but it doesn't answer my question. There seems to be anger levelled at North, but is what they did different to what we did? That's what I'm curious about.

everyone froze wanting to see if he would snap.

That's a big indictment, and I agree. The will he/won't he fascination is ridiculous. The glee in the radio commentators voices when it boiled over was crazy.

[Bornadog]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

What bugs me frankly[/U][/B] is when a guy is trying to leave the field, the excessive group swarm. It's not uncommon for a player to cop a bump, heading to the bench. Fair enough, one on one. .

Wasn't it great when Lake ran 100m to the swarm and split them up. I know it cost a 50 metre penalty and a goal but it was worth it.

[EasternWest]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Difference being, Riewoldt gets frees for like and softer incidents, and Hall gets none.

I agree 100% with this statement, but it doesn't answer my question. There seems to be anger levelled at North, but is what they did different to what we did? That's what I'm curious about.

No, we are not. The niggle was fine

Was it? Because that seems to be what has annoyed most posters.

everyone froze wanting to see if he would snap.

That's a big indictment, and I agree. The will he/won't he fascination is ridiculous. The glee in the radio commentators voices when it boiled over was palpable.

[EasternWest]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Sorry, I've made a blue with my last few posts.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

I agree 100% with this statement, but it doesn't answer my question. There seems to be anger levelled at North, but is what they did different to what we did? That's what I'm curious about.
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What bugs me frankly is when a guy is trying to leave the field, the excessive group swarm.
to have it done in a group is a poor reflection of sportsmanship, disrespectful to the game or I suppose, indication of a club culture gone wrong. Can you imagine us doing that, even to St Nick ? A big cluster f**k of players taunting an individual as he leaves the field and knocking him about when he has his hands in the air?

I thought our discipline was good. Barry will swallow his medicine and I thought the crowd and other players, coach supported him well.
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^^^^^^^This^^^^

[mjp]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Yes, we are being hypocritical.

The whole 'knock him over whilst he does his boots up' thing...I mean, who cares?

West Coast fans saw the stuff with 4 on 1 vs Hall and just said 'Well, it was 6 on 1 when you blokes did it to Gardiner'.

I agree our discipline was good, but if that is what North want to do, good luck to them. It didn't work, so what is the big deal?

[GVGjr]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Yes, we are being hypocritical.

The whole 'knock him over whilst he does his boots up' thing...I mean, who cares?

West Coast fans saw the stuff with 4 on 1 vs Hall and just said 'Well, it was 6 on 1 when you blokes did it to Gardiner'.

I agree our discipline was good, but if that is what North want to do, good luck to them. It didn't work, so what is the big deal?

Um..do we have to go back 13 years or so to find an equivalent incident in which we were involved. I've heard people comparing it to the Romero/Libba type style of play. I think that's stretching it if that's our most recent 'crime'.

As to the OP question, Brian's nudge on Riewoldt did not in my view resemble the action of Thompson in knocking over a player who was tying up a shoeleace!

[EasternWest]

Re: Are we being hypocritical?

Um..do we have to go back 13 years or so to find an equivalent incident in which we were involved. I've heard people comparing it to the Romero/Libba type style of play. I think that's stretching it if that's our most recent 'crime'.

As to the OP question, Brian's nudge on Riewoldt did not in my view resemble the action of Thompson in knocking over a player who was tying up a shoeleace!

No that's true, but I was more referring to the systematic physical harassment of Riewoldt over the entire game. Is it any different to the systematic physical harassment by North towards Hall?