Young blokes to take us forward

[soupman]

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I hope Stack makes it, but at the moment he is probably bottom of his draft class at the Dogs. If we were to delist anyone in addition to the retirees, who would go before him?

Tim Callan probably. With guys like Tiller being his competitors. i don't think we'll need to de-list more than one or two players this year anyway. With Akermanis, Eagleton and Johnson all probably retiring we'll have just about enough changes.

This thread should also be about the players that haven't really come into the side yet, but yet could perform a role and contribute. Can anyone see an Easton Wood being a regular member of the side come finals?

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Tim Callan probably. With guys like Tiller being his competitors. i don't think we'll need to de-list more than one or two players this year anyway. With Akermanis, Eagleton and Johnson all probably retiring we'll have just about enough changes.

This thread should also be about the players that haven't really come into the side yet, but yet could perform a role and contribute. Can anyone see an Easton Wood being a regular member of the side come finals?

I think Stack is safe but we need more than the retirees to go. Johnson and Eagleton are on the vets list so they don't count, Aker will go but Moles will be elevated so we're back to square one.

[soupman]

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I think Stack is safe but we need more than the retirees to go. Johnson and Eagleton are on the vets list so they don't count, Aker will go but Moles will be elevated so we're back to square one.

Not really. Moles counts as a list change so Aker going does count. Callan is probably next inline and with GC and Richmond and Essendon all looking to be active in trade week you would assume at least a Stephen Tiller or potentially a Jarrod Harbrow moves on as well. There's three changes and we're done.

I also think Stack is safe because we'll make very few changes to our list over the next few years I think and Stack has shown glimpses, even though he looks like he could fall into the Giansiracusa boat of being labelled "soft" and "lazy".

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Not really. Moles counts as a list change so Aker going does count. Callan is probably next inline and with GC and Richmond and Essendon all looking to be active in trade week you would assume at least a Stephen Tiller or potentially a Jarrod Harbrow moves on as well. There's three changes and we're done.

I also think Stack is safe because we'll make very few changes to our list over the next few years I think and Stack has shown glimpses, even though he looks like he could fall into the Giansiracusa boat of being labelled "soft" and "lazy".

I doubt we will make the minimum 3 changes. Moles, Wallis and Liberatore are obvious but I'm sure they will want another couple of picks as well.

Callan will be one and I'd be tapping Mitch on the shoulder as the other. I agree there's a pretty good chance we won't have a say in it and one or maybe even two will move along of their own choosing.

[FrediKanoute]

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[QUOTE=Sockeye Salmon;158200]I doubt we will make the minimum 3 changes. Moles, Wallis and Liberatore are obvious but I'm sure they will want another couple of picks as well.

Callan will be one and I'd be tapping Mitch on the shoulder as the other. I agree there's a pretty good chance we won't have a say in it and one or maybe even two will move along of their own choosing.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. There would be some guys on the list who would be not getting a regular game and are thinking that they may just get that regular game elsewhere. There would also be some guys who are going to lured by the mega-bucks on offer from GC and WS. Guys who would never manage to get anywhere near that with us will certainly consider a move.

[chef]

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Tim Callan probably. With guys like Tiller being his competitors. i don't think we'll need to de-list more than one or two players this year anyway. With Akermanis, Eagleton and Johnson all probably retiring we'll have just about enough changes.

This thread should also be about the players that haven't really come into the side yet, but yet could perform a role and contribute. Can anyone see an Easton Wood being a regular member of the side come finals?

He might have a spot in defence next year if Harbrow leaves.

[Mantis]

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You obviously don't have anything worthwhile to contribute if that is the breadth of your comment. Why don't you enlighten me on all the many and varied differences that reduces VFL experience to having zero value.

My main justification would be the pace of the game, skill level and size/ condition of the grounds. We are talking absolute chalk and cheese between VFL and AFL.

The worthwhile statement is a crock.

I don't think Addison will ever be a great player. Good, honest player, possibly eker, are more apt descriptions. My point is that to date, he has shown a lot more than Stack.

We are in a much better position to determine where Addison is at due to his extra experience playing AFL than Stack. At present Stack hasn't shown a great deal, but I wouldn't hang him on 8 games.

I hope Stack makes it, but at the moment he is probably bottom of his draft class at the Dogs. If we were to delist anyone in addition to the retirees, who would go before him?

Tiller and Callan would be 2 to I would look at before Stack.

[Hot_Doggies]

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It's amazing the difference a few extra poor games makes. I have been saying delist/trade (GC17 maybe) Hahn for a long time.

If we could get a decent pick for Cross, i would make a hard call on him also.

[LostDoggy]

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It's amazing the difference a few extra poor games makes. I have been saying delist/trade (GC17 maybe) Hahn for a long time.

If we could get a decent pick for Cross, i would make a hard call on him also.

CROSS...are you crazy? He is much loved by the supporters and players and i doubt very much he will be going anywhere!!

[Sockeye Salmon]

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It's amazing the difference a few extra poor games makes. I have been saying delist/trade (GC17 maybe) Hahn for a long time.

If we could get a decent pick for Cross, i would make a hard call on him also.

You can't just trade out guys because it's convenient, it destroys the fabric of your club (good cliche, huh?)

How do you ask Jarrod Harbrow to turn his back on the big dollars from GC17 and in the same breath offload Daniel Cross to the best offer?

Mitch is a bit different. The way you handle it with Mitch would be to say, "we don't think you'll get a go next year, it might be best for your career if your agent starts looking around". Then you make sure he ends up where he wants to go, give him away if necessary.

Rather than weaken the group by shafting their mate, show them all how you care about their well-being and would do the right thing by them. It makes it a lot harder to walk away for cash.

Kevin Sheedy said the biggest mistake of his career was after winning the 84-85 premierships, he offloaded Steve Carey and Peter Bradbury. As players they weren't much chop but it let everyone else on the list know that the club didn't really give a bugger about them past what they could give on the ground.

Trading is the work of the devil.

[Bulldog Joe]

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You can't just trade out guys because it's convenient, it destroys the fabric of your club (good cliche, huh?)

How do you ask Jarrod Harbrow to turn his back on the big dollars from GC17 and in the same breath offload Daniel Cross to the best offer?

Mitch is a bit different. The way you handle it with Mitch would be to say, "we don't think you'll get a go next year, it might be best for your career if your agent starts looking around". Then you make sure he ends up where he wants to go, give him away if necessary.

Rather than weaken the group by shafting their mate, show them all how you care about their well-being and would do the right thing by them. It makes it a lot harder to walk away for cash.

Kevin Sheedy said the biggest mistake of his career was after winning the 84-85 premierships, he offloaded Steve Carey and Peter Bradbury. As players they weren't much chop but it let everyone else on the list know that the club didn't really give a bugger about them past what they could give on the ground.

Trading is the work of the devil.

Magnificent Post SS

You do really need to look after the players who bring the group together.

[Mantis]

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You do really need to look after the players who bring the group together.

You do, but in saying that we also need to strive for excellence and build a list that will continue to improve.

If they we don't at least hold our ground or improve on last years efforts we need to work out why and then determine the best course of action such that we can quickly rebound.

It is very early on to speculate on possible trades as I still believe we can salvage this season, but at some point we will and to that point the club needs to decide on the best way forward and that could mean making some tough calls.

Never say never.

[Mofra]

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How do you ask Jarrod Harbrow to turn his back on the big dollars from GC17 and in the same breath offload Daniel Cross to the best offer?

Bingo. From what I've been told, Wallace was as good as a dead man walking form the moment he traded away Brad Wira.

[Mantis]

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Bingo. From what I've been told, Wallace was as good as a dead man walking form the moment he traded away Brad Wira.

This post shows just how precious players that have represented our club are/ have become. (Not directed at you Mofra because I have heard the same thing)

A coach trades away a player who he feels isn't going to take the club forward, which is his job... improve the team and take them forward and the players have a sook because they have lost a mate... HTFU boys.

[EasternWest]

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Mitch is a bit different. The way you handle it with Mitch would be to say, "we don't think you'll get a go next year, it might be best for your career if your agent starts looking around". Then you make sure he ends up where he wants to go, give him away if necessary.

Couldn't agree with this more. Mitch has given good service to our club and as it appears his time is up, we should make every effort to do the right thing by him when we move him on.