Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Enough of the feel good rubbish the supporters deserve better!

If you don't like "Feel good " threads don't read them!

[EasternWest]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Have a read through the posts, you will find plenty of doom and gloom. "Ghosts in the Western Oval change rooms" etc etc.

" Why can't anyone ever step up?" etc etc.

I tried to explain it to you GD. It's not about one three point game *shrug*. If it were just that people wouldn't feel that way. It is, unfortunately, the oh so familiar feeling of opportunity slipping away again.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Have a read through the posts, you will find plenty of doom and gloom. "Ghosts in the Western Oval change rooms" etc etc.

" Why can't anyone ever step up?" etc etc.

I've read them all, and this sums it up well:

I tried to explain it to you GD. It's not about one three point game *shrug*. If it were just that people wouldn't feel that way. It is, unfortunately, the oh so familiar feeling of opportunity slipping away again.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Well, as I said, it's not Barry or Easton or Jarrod's fault we lost in '08. To me, it was just one game we lost by three points.
Long term Supporters can't help but see it any other way I guess, as a 'trend' or 'pattern of loss' or near misses. To me, it's just a single game with no relationship to '08.




Below is the kind of post I refer to. Does not sound ' tongue in cheek to me'.



Yep, we're done. Play the kids now, and look forward to the next few years.

****, I hate losing games like that this. I'd rather be hammered, like the first Lions game.

Even the ****ing Tigers are looking better than us, now.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Well, as I said, it's not Barry or Easton or Jarrod's fault we lost in '08. To me, it was just one game we lost by three points.
Long term Supporters can't help but see it any other way I guess, as a 'trend' or 'pattern of loss' or near misses. To me, it's just a single game with no relationship to '08.




Below is the kind of post I refer to. Does not sound ' tongue in cheek to me'.



Yep, we're done. Play the kids now, and look forward to the next few years.

****, I hate losing games like that this. I'd rather be hammered, like the first Lions game.

Even the ****ing Tigers are looking better than us, now.

Emotion does strange things to people. Whilst I don't believe we're done, or worse than the Tigers, and that we have played some kids, I do hate losing games like that, and I probably would rather be hammered. The key word is "games"

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Emotion does strange things to people. Whilst I don't believe we're done, or worse than the Tigers, and that we have played some kids, I do hate losing games like that, and I probably would rather be hammered. The key word is "games"

Seriously?? you would rather be hammered? Why?
Better to lose by a fighter's margin I say.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Seriously?? you would rather be hammered? Why?
Better to lose by a fighter's margin I say.

Because when you lose by a mile, there's never any letdown of losing a game you could've/should've won. It's terribly disappointing, and at least with a belting you're never in the hunt, and you can kind of resign yourself to that. We were in the hunt, and found wanting. Sure, it's good to know you're that close, but as others have said, being close but just not good enough (so often) is shattering.

[azabob]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Because when you lose by a mile, there's never any letdown of losing a game you could've/should've won. It's terribly disappointing, and at least with a belting you're never in the hunt, and you can kind of resign yourself to that. We were in the hunt, and found wanting. Sure, it's good to know you're that close, but as others have said, being close but just not good enough (so often) is shattering.

Overall I dont agree with what Ghostdog is saying, but to say you'd prefer to lose each game by 10 goals or more is one of the more silly things I have heard or seen.

Andrew going to the footy in the Rhode years was not fun at all, going during the Eade years has been a hell of a lot better - Regardless of how close we get or don't get.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Sorry for being a half-glass full supporter. But I disagree with your view and David Parkin was of a similar view on the Radio. Players who are usually good at hitting a target slaughtered the ball in terms of accuracy. It was a poor performance on the night, but does not mean this group of players is per se "wanting" or categorically 'not good enough".

Others may have said that about Hawthorn earlier in the year. Now look at them

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Overall I dont agree with what Ghostdog is saying, but to say you'd prefer to lose each game by 10 goals or more is one of the more silly things I have heard or seen.

Andrew going to the footy in the Rhode years was not fun at all, going during the Eade years has been a hell of a lot better - Regardless of how close we get or don't get.

So what's your point of contention?

[EasternWest]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Sorry for being a half-glass full supporter. But I disagree with your view and David Parkin was of a similar view on the Radio. Players who are usually good at hitting a target slaughtered the ball in terms of accuracy. It was a poor performance on the night, but does not mean this group of players is per se "wanting" or categorically 'not good enough".

Others may have said that about Hawthorn earlier in the year. Now look at them

Don't need to apologise for that, and you're always entitled to your opinion. I don't see myself as a doom and gloom kind of supporter (though I do have my moments), but our failure to this point to come anywhere near our pre-seasons/last few years expectations and hopes just isn't really that surprising given that we've managed to fall short on so many occasions.

Noone is saying anyone is responsible for 08, but the "ghost in the changeroom (I like that analogy, I'm borrowing it)" seems to be a menatlity that pervades the club itself.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Don't need to apologise for that, and you're always entitled to your opinion. I don't see myself as a doom and gloom kind of supporter (though I do have my moments), but our failure to this point to come anywhere near our pre-seasons/last few years expectations and hopes just isn't really that surprising given that we've managed to fall short on so many occasions.

Noone is saying anyone is responsible for 08, but the "ghost in the changeroom (I like that analogy, I'm borrowing it)" seems to be a menatlity that pervades the club itself.

That's cool. That's your view and I can totally understand it. It's hard to block out memories and focus on the present.
But I look at the new generation of coaches ( Bomber thompson, Mark Harvey, etc ) who have turned around clubs that have really seen terrible lows and the way they talk about these things. It really gives me confidence in where the club is going.

For me, there is no narrative, no "ghosts".

[EasternWest]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

That's cool. That's your view and I can totally understand it. It's hard to block out memories and focus on the present.
But I look at the new generation of coaches ( Bomber thompson, Mark Harvey, etc ) who have turned around clubs that have really seen terrible lows and the way they talk about these things. It really gives me confidence in where the club is going.

For me, there is no narrative, no "ghosts".

I think me too, despite the rumbling, grumbling, huffing and puffing .

[AndrewP6]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Overall I dont agree with what Ghostdog is saying, but to say you'd prefer to lose each game by 10 goals or more is one of the more silly things I have heard or seen.

Andrew going to the footy in the Rhode years was not fun at all, going during the Eade years has been a hell of a lot better - Regardless of how close we get or don't get.

I didn't say I'd prefer to lose each game by that margin. Point I was making was that it would sit more comfortably with me knowing that we were actually beaten by a better side, rather than being competitive but just not good enough to actually win the game. I remember the Rohde years too, and no, they weren't fun. But now we're in the position of being in winnable games, and not being able to get it done. And that frustrates the hell out of me. People have commented to me a number of times since Friday, what a terrific contest it was, and I just can't concur with them. If my team is playing, a tough contest we don't win is an awful result.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Why I love the bulldogs, even when they lose

Sorry for being a half-glass full supporter. But I disagree with your view and David Parkin was of a similar view on the Radio. Players who are usually good at hitting a target slaughtered the ball in terms of accuracy. It was a poor performance on the night, but does not mean this group of players is per se "wanting" or categorically 'not good enough".

Others may have said that about Hawthorn earlier in the year. Now look at them

No need to apologise, I'd be thrilled to be more optimistic.
Yes, it was a poor performance on the night. As it was against Collingwood in Rd 1, Brisbane Rd 4, St Kilda in Rd 6, Essendon Rd 10 and Collingwood Rd 11. It's more than just one game that is the issue, and why I stated we're not good enough. The best teams win those games they need to win, and are able to finish games off when opportunities arise. We don't/can't do that.