The End of the World

[Greystache]

Re: The End of the World

WTF has 1961 got to do with anything?

While we are at it, what has any previous year got to do with anything?

If the players and staff believe in fate along those lines they might a well finish the season now.

There are 8 games and Finals to go, people!

Feel sorry for yourselves after that if it makes you feel better

Are you serious champ?

We haven't beaten a top 4 team in a final in 49 years, our record in that time is 0 wins 13 losses, including a record of 0-4 in the past 2 seasons with what is essentially our current team and you don't think it's relevant?

Our best hope was to finish top 4, get beaten week 1 in our usual insipid fashion, beat the 5-8 placed team week 2, then try and pinch a win against the top 4 side in the prelim. It appears we will struggle to finish top 4 now meaning we'd have to beat a top 4 team in week 2 as well as week 3 to make the grand final, which makes it now highly unlikely, and given our recent record against the current top 4 is 2-11 it seems this team isn't capable of beating the best regularly.

I'm all for being optimistic, but not delusional.

[Happy Days]

Re: The End of the World

Are you serious champ?

We haven't beaten a top 4 team in a final in 49 years, our record in that time is 0 wins 13 losses, including a record of 0-4 in the past 2 seasons with what is essentially our current team and you don't think it's relevant?

Our best hope was to finish top 4, get beaten week 1 in our usual insipid fashion, beat the 5-8 placed team week 2, then try and pinch a win against the top 4 side in the prelim. It appears we will struggle to finish top 4 now meaning we'd have to beat a top 4 team in week 2 as well as week 3 to make the grand final, which makes it now highly unlikely, and given our recent record against the current top 4 is 2-11 it seems this team isn't capable of beating the best regularly.

I'm all for being optimistic, but not delusional.

By this thinking, Richmond are going to win the flag because they did in 1980, and Essendon are unbeatable because they were in 2000.

Seriously, what does the past have to do with anything. Of all of the stats that are seen in our game, "historical" stats such as these are by far the most useless.

[mjp]

Re: The End of the World

Of all of the stats that are seen in our game, "historical" stats such as these are by far the most useless.

I don't like the stats either but there are lessons in history. 1961 is a bit irrelevant to me, but finishing top 4 is very important to premiership success - no-one has won the flag without a top 4 finish since the finals system changed.

Maybe we are one out of the box, and maybe we are the once in a generation team that can buck the odds (the system??) and win from 5th-8th...but you have to admit it is a less likely starting point.

[LostDoggy]

Re: The End of the World

Are you serious champ?

We haven't beaten a top 4 team in a final in 49 years, our record in that time is 0 wins 13 losses, including a record of 0-4 in the past 2 seasons with what is essentially our current team and you don't think it's relevant?

Our best hope was to finish top 4, get beaten week 1 in our usual insipid fashion, beat the 5-8 placed team week 2, then try and pinch a win against the top 4 side in the prelim. It appears we will struggle to finish top 4 now meaning we'd have to beat a top 4 team in week 2 as well as week 3 to make the grand final, which makes it now highly unlikely, and given our recent record against the current top 4 is 2-11 it seems this team isn't capable of beating the best regularly.

I'm all for being optimistic, but not delusional.

And by the time you finally get out of Secondary School Champ, you might have learnt something about statistics and relevance.

The last time we were in a GF we were Runners-up to Hawthorn (I was there - probably sat next to your grand-father). On the basis of that and being beaten by them by only 3 points on Friday and using your powers of logic, doesn't it follow we will be Runners-up to Hawthorn again this year, Champ?

And by 3 points?

[Greystache]

Re: The End of the World

And by the time you finally get out of Secondary School Champ, you might have learnt something about statistics and relevance.

The last time we were in a GF we were Runners-up to Hawthorn (I was there - probably sat next to your grand-father). On the basis of that and being beaten by them by only 3 points on Friday and using your powers of logic, doesn't it follow we will be Runners-up to Hawthorn again this year, Champ?

And by 3 points?

Some strange logic right there.

I'm anything but a high school student, but something they do teach in school is statistical relevance. 0-13 over a period of 49 years indicates the problem isn't with an individual or a specific team, it indicates a core problem which is engrained in the very fabric of the club, and that is they don't rise to the big occasion they crumble before it. It takes a very strong group to break such a trend, and the 0-4 record of this team indicates the trend is unlikely to broken. Only the most one eyed of supporters would agree otherwise.

Seeing as you have so much life experience you may be familiar with this-

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein

[Ghost Dog]

Re: The End of the World

WTF has 1961 got to do with anything?

While we are at it, what has any previous year got to do with anything?

If the players and staff believe in fate along those lines they might a well finish the season now.

There are 8 games and Finals to go, people!

Feel sorry for yourselves after that if it makes you feel better

Post of the month. With you on that one EJ. Only one game ever exists. The one you are about to play.


Greystach:

May I ask, where is the core problem located? In the grass of the western oval? Under the turf? Something in the water down there?
Maybe it's the smell from Werribbee drifting in on the breeze.

Dogs bollocks!
This club has undergone something of a revolution in ten years. People used to tease me about us being the 'poor club'. (Essendon supporters gah! )
The club is finally on an even playing field with other clubs for the first time ever, coming about in the past 2 years. Work in progress! The transformation to a powerhouse club is almost complete * rubs hands with evil laugh*. I can understand the fatalistic view, but don't subscribe.

Geelong had a history of being 'chokers'. Collingwood also. We will have our day in the sun.

Leigh Mathews banished all streamers and Balloons from the changerooms during their last premiership in 1990. The past pollutes; is irrellevant to what is happening now.
The key is to ignore supporters and critics who point at the past and focus on the present and future because that is all you have to work with. IM most HUMBLE opinion.