Could Lake be a leader?

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

Well your first point is just semantics. As was mine also I guess.

I can't argue your points after so what? They all make sense.

My basis for leaving Lake out would be that he doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that would be that keen to be involved with a lot of extra head work and leadership meetings etc. I could be wrong, but he strikes me more as a doer.

I think I am over how highly leadership meetings seem to be rated by the club. Gia seems like a fantastic leader at a table, just wish he could transfer that to a footy ground once in awhile.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

I think I am over how highly leadership meetings seem to be rated by the club. Gia seems like a fantastic leader at a table, just wish he could transfer that to a footy ground once in awhile.

Gia does some great stuf on ground. That contested mark he took in the first quarter was awesome. What would you like him to do more of or, put another way, what do you feel he lacks? Hardness? Ability in the air? Personally, I feel he is doing pretty well.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

Gia does some great stuf on ground. That contested mark he took in the first quarter was awesome. What would you like him to do more of or, put another way, what do you feel he lacks? Hardness? Ability in the air? Personally, I feel he is doing pretty well.

I am normally a defender of Gia and I guess it's not his fault that none of our players stick out as great leaders.

I just think for a leader he really goes missing when the heat is on and while his attack on the ball was great in that contested mark, he can really lack physical presence at times.

[Greystache]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

I think I am over how highly leadership meetings seem to be rated by the club. Gia seems like a fantastic leader at a table, just wish he could transfer that to a footy ground once in awhile.

I totally agree, we make all the right noises and say all the right things in media conferences and in the prematch, but of the guys making these comments (Gia, Murphy, Johno, Boyd, Higgins) how many would you back to kick a goal on the run from 50m in the dying seconds to win a prelim final? I'd say Boyd only and I wouldn't be that confident in him.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

I totally agree, we make all the right noises and say all the right things in media conferences and in the prematch, but of the guys making these comments (Gia, Murphy, Johno, Boyd, Higgins) how many would you back to kick a goal on the run from 50m in the dying seconds to win a prelim final? I'd say Boyd only and I wouldn't be that confident in him.

Yep. I am going to be attacked by the super positives on this board but I truly believe our leadership group over compensate for their lack of on field leadership by overdoing it off field.

[The Underdog]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

I totally agree, we make all the right noises and say all the right things in media conferences and in the prematch, but of the guys making these comments (Gia, Murphy, Johno, Boyd, Higgins) how many would you back to kick a goal on the run from 50m in the dying seconds to win a prelim final? I'd say Boyd only and I wouldn't be that confident in him.

If Boyd were handballing from 50m to win a prelim I'd pick him. If it involved kicking a football, he'd be my last pick out of that group, although Murph is the one I'd have a reasonable amount of confidence in. The fact that I'd back most of those guys to kick one with us 50 points up but miss the same shot in a pressure situation says a bit though and I assume that that was your point.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

Yep. I am going to be attacked by the super positives on this board but I truly believe our leadership group over compensate for their lack of on field leadership by overdoing it off field.

So in your view, Rocco and Grey, the leaders lack hardness - the ability to contest and launch themselves into the fray.

For me, that is not the issue. Effort is good. Decision making has been poor and reading the ball.

Thirty-six players were in Hawthorn's half of the ground for the throw-in. Eighteen obviously were Bulldogs. None stood near the Hawks' Sam Mitchell. ( Gleeson 2010)


Tonight I went to a poetry reading. Harry O'Brien from collingwood was there.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Could Lake be a leader?

So in your view, Rocco and Grey, the leaders lack hardness - the ability to contest and launch themselves into the fray.

For me, that is not the issue. Effort is good. Decision making has been poor and reading the ball.

Thirty-six players were in Hawthorn's half of the ground for the throw-in. Eighteen obviously were Bulldogs. None stood near the Hawks' Sam Mitchell. ( Gleeson 2010)


Tonight I went to a poetry reading. Harry O'Brien from collingwood was there.

Fans talk about what it takes to be the greatest as if there was just one tangible trait like great leaders or match winners.e

I don't see not having a great leader/leadership group on field as 'the issue', just one issue that hurts us.

I actually think our effort and attack on the ball are great mate, leaders definitely included. Where I think the problem lies with our leaders is stepping up to be match winners/break the game open like Hodge, Mitchell, Buddy and Cyril did on Friday night. The former two are seen as obvious leaders but the latter two are leaders as well, I like mjp's point about guns being leaders whether we or they like it or not.

I also agree with you that our decision making is an issue.

A lot of our fans were and are upset about our performance on Friday night, including me. However, I am not saying it's all doom and gloom. I know there is a lot more good than bad in our team but the thing is, there is such a small margin of error when you're trying to be the best.