Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #31
    Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

    Originally posted by mjp
    If you read his other posts I think you would realise that it is not a typo.
    Thankyou MJP - do struggle to read every single post and remember everyones opinion. Can now see Greystche has an issue with Boyd being in the side. Believe dropping Boyd is pretty extreme IMO but each to their own.

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    • ReLoad
      Senior Player
      • Sep 2009
      • 1460

      #32
      Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

      Matthew Boyd is probably his own harshest critic (that says a lot given us woofers at times and no criticism on those who have expressed their opinion.) and he was bitterly disappointed after the game.

      but Matthew Boyd is critical to the success of our team, he is a stand up start in any 22 man team in the country, Geelong and Collingwood included, to suggest that he isnt in ours is not correct.

      Teams are about balance having the right mix of players, and our Mix on Saturday night was correct, albeit poorly executed.

      The two most obvious examples on unaccountability and one way football were Shaun Higgins and Callan Ward, both whom are certainly not fit nor do they have confidence in themselves.

      These are the sorts of omissions we need to consider as opposed to taking out our core team based on a performance blip. Lucky for us one of these decisions has already been made.

      To me the worst thing to come out of this game was the injury to Wood, the guy was sticking it to Steve J and looks to me to be another Dale Morris.

      needless to say, normally i would travel up to the swans game, but i am giving it a miss, consider that voting with my feet.

      As for changes this week:

      Out: Minson(omit), Higgins(inj - omit anyway), Wood(Inj), Eagleton (omit), Johnson (rest/omit)
      In: Hudson, Cooney, Grant, Harbrow, Hahn(scg suits him consider him a designated hitter or pinch hitter especially for the occasion)

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      • DOG GOD
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jul 2007
        • 6544

        #33
        Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

        I agree with you reload that there was no way Higgins and Ward were fit enough to tackle a team like geelong, and both were showed up immensely. Add that to the fact that our fwd line is as slow as dogs in cement doesnt help the cause.

        Those asking for drastic measures against Boyd and Cross have a point, but realistically BOTH are in our best 22 hands down. Maybe all is needed is to give one or the other a different role. Could Boyd play a defensive fwd type and allow Gia time in the middle?

        The problem is that both Boyd and Cross are too similiar, same as Giff and Coon. 1 of each need to be rotated thru the centre, not both at the same time. Maybe Rocket needs to get the message across to Boyd and give him a role as the defensive fwd this week. Put the ultimatum to him. Do your job or u risk being dropped like any other player.

        Collingwood have shown this year that players have to EARN their guernsey, and while the likes of Fraser, Anthony, Lockyer etc are struggling to get into the team, the young kids like Blair, Sidebottom, Beams etc are in there coz they are DOING THEIR JOB!!!

        Maybe Rocket needs to look outside the box like he did with Wood on Stevie J, and give the midfield group something to really think about.
        I will never see #16 the same!!

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66692

          #34
          Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

          Originally posted by Mantis
          He has given his reasons in other threads to why he wants this to occur.

          You obviously don't agree and that's your right, but don't knock someone for offering up their opinion.
          Well I gave my opnion to, that he is the only person in Australia with those views. Boyd may be all Australian this year. Yes he has deficiencies, but no one is a perfect footballer.
          FFC: Established 1883

          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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          • ReLoad
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2009
            • 1460

            #35
            Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

            Originally posted by bornadog
            Yes he has deficiencies, but no one is a perfect footballer.
            Myth Busted:

            Angelo Petraglia.

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            • SlimPickens
              Coaching Staff
              • Aug 2010
              • 2929

              #36
              Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

              At the risk of being shouted down I think Johnno should be omitted this week. There is no doubt that he is not right.

              Out Johnson Minson Higgins Wood Eagleton
              In Cooney Hudson Harbrow Grant Hahn
              "Loves a scrap....oh yeah & he's a pretty handy footballer as well"

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              • Mofra
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 14946

                #37
                Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                Originally posted by DOG GOD
                Maybe Rocket needs to look outside the box like he did with Wood on Stevie J, and give the midfield group something to really think about.
                Grant & Jones being given extended runs also help. I was happy with the way Jones has been kept in the side and defensive efforts like he puts up are the only way we're going to match running teams like Collingwood.
                Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                • The Bulldogs Bite
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 11244

                  #38
                  Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                  Originally posted by Mofra
                  Grant & Jones being given extended runs also help. I was happy with the way Jones has been kept in the side and defensive efforts like he puts up are the only way we're going to match running teams like Collingwood.
                  Agreed.

                  Does it mean Jones is potentially booking himself a spot for finals? Higgins will be missing and whilst they're different players, Jones has been one of our better forwards in the last two games. As you said - he chases (ditto Grant) and that alone might see him get the nod.

                  Before anyone shoots - yes, he's not 'ready' persay ... but he's giving us an option and is applying pressure. He's more involved than Johnson, Higgins and Hahn before injury.
                  W00F!

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                  • DOG GOD
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 6544

                    #39
                    Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                    Eade needs to reward players doing THEIR JOB in the team. Not reward guys who he sees in our best 22 and are either playing injured or out of form.
                    I will never see #16 the same!!

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                    • Greystache
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9775

                      #40
                      Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      Well I gave my opnion to, that he is the only person in Australia with those views. Boyd may be all Australian this year. Yes he has deficiencies, but no one is a perfect footballer.
                      If those deficiencies are the inability to follow instructions and to stick to the game plan, then a week at Williamstown is the best way help him work on those deficiencies.

                      No doubt at the game you follow the ball from player to player then give your opinions on who played well by how many times you saw them, but I can't understand how you cannot see that we were obliterated by the Geelong midfield and we simply would not man up!!
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                      • Greystache
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 9775

                        #41
                        Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                        Originally posted by SlimPickens
                        At the risk of being shouted down I think Johnno should be omitted this week. There is no doubt that he is not right.

                        Out Johnson Minson Higgins Wood Eagleton
                        In Cooney Hudson Harbrow Grant Hahn
                        Good post young man, it's about time you joined WOOF!
                        [COLOR="#FF0000"][B]Western Bulldogs:[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="#0000CD"][B]We exist to win premierships[/B][/COLOR]

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                        • Sockeye Salmon
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6365

                          #42
                          Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                          Originally posted by DOG GOD
                          Collingwood have shown this year that players have to EARN their guernsey, and while the likes of Fraser, Anthony, Lockyer etc are struggling to get into the team, the young kids like Blair, Sidebottom, Beams etc are in there coz they are DOING THEIR JOB!!!
                          You mean like the way Minson, Hahn, Akermanis, Eagleton, Hill and even Johnson did their turn at Willi? While the likes of Grant, Wood, Stack, Moles and even Roughead and Jones get an extended run in the firsts?





                          Edit: Damn. I should have written a few words in capitals and added exclamation marks.

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 66692

                            #43
                            Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                            Originally posted by Greystache
                            If those deficiencies are the inability to follow instructions and to stick to the game plan, then a week at Williamstown is the best way help him work on those deficiencies.

                            No doubt at the game you follow the ball from player to player then give your opinions on who played well by how many times you saw them, but I can't understand how you cannot see that we were obliterated by the Geelong midfield and we simply would not man up!!
                            If that is the case we need to drop 18 players.

                            Give it up Greystache, Boyd WILL NOT BE DROPPED.
                            FFC: Established 1883

                            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                            • BulldogBelle
                              WOOF Member
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 5284

                              #44
                              Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                              Hey...all good posts, but I want to ask a question....do we have the correct selection philosophy??? Watching the current top 3 teams...a tall KP goes out, a tall KP comes in....a speedy defender goes out, a speedy defender comes in, an inside mid goes out, an inside midfielder comes in. You get the drift. But with the Dogs...best 22, week in, week out. Good in the suburbs, maybe even the VFL, but not in AFL by a long way. At the moment, Johnno, Ward and Higgins generally all have the same role...medium forward, but only a fill in crumber...Gia. No genuine goal sneek. There are specific player type deficiencies and over-dones all over the field. At one stage on Sat, night, 4 tall forward inside 50 (Hall, Lake, Minson and Jones), and 2 lead up mids...Gia and Johnno....just ridiculous. No hope with this "best 22" mentality. The modern game is all about team structure and role playing, and we do it poorly.

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                              • ratsmac
                                Coaching Staff
                                • May 2009
                                • 3975

                                #45
                                Re: Round 21 - WOOF Selection Table

                                Outs - Western Bulldogs
                                Ins - Williamstown
                                They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
                                Brian Fantana.

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