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  • ReLoad
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2009
    • 1460

    Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

    Ok here is my wild theory about the loss to Geelong.

    Firstly some background:

    Last year we played our "A game" in the last few rounds against both Geelong and Collingwood, which we won, we basically stuck to the main plan and that was it, it was clear to me that in those two games we threw everything we possibly could at them to win.

    Looking back at both those games we played our cards too early, Geelong in particular had answers to what we did in that match and were ready to roll against us in the final.

    Now how does that apply to our loss last week? Well, it was very clear upon watching the replay, and doing a basic review that we did not play our usual game plan, certain players were under clear instructions which differed from the previous month, and even focussing on our runner and whom and where we conveyed messages to.

    Its actually really clear that we had no intent of playing our "A game" against them, I got the distinct feeling that they had and were willing (given injuries and the like) to try different things.

    I am NOT making excuses for the performance, nor the outcomes from the loss, nor am I saying that it was an OK result, I am merely suggesting that given history, the circumstances and the clear change in modus operandi that we were up to something.

    Now of course it all went horribly wrong, but at NO stage did the coaches box or players attempt to change what was happening, now bag them all you like but the coaches box is full of smart guys, they knew exactly what was unfolding and how it was playing out, they were under no illusion that they were trying something different, and were of course paying the price for it.

    So perhaps for the risk of trying to polish and put glitter on the proverbial i am not concerned nor upset because i think they are doing things differently this year, and heaven knows we have to.

    That's my .02 Peoples Republic of West Footscray Roubles.
  • The Adelaide Connection
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2009
    • 2780

    #2
    Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

    Showing our hand wouldn't have been wise and maybe we lost a lot of chips but we will win the hand that matters.

    That said Geelong were seriously shitting themselves in the finals last year on the back of our round 20 win and we lost mainly because we kicked ourselves out of it. This time around they are going to be super confident.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 66689

      #3
      Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

      For example why would you put a player that has only played ten odd games on their most dangerous forward, ie Wood on Johnson, unless you were teaching the kid a few things.
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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #4
        Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

        And why would you let Ablett roam free the whole game? I swear I saw Boyd look at Ablett and he would intentionally give him 4-5 meters space

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        • Ghost Dog
          WOOF Member
          • May 2010
          • 9404

          #5
          Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

          I have a slightly related view. In Language learning theory we have a bell shaped curve.
          This is when the mind adjusts to recent changes, new information and gears itself for a large input or period of effort.
          This adjustment phase often involves a drop in performance and it looks like things are mysteriously going pear shaped. In fact, the system is just arranging the bits and given time will proceed sharply upward . Alrighty...I can see you all rolling your eyes!
          You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #6
            Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

            Originally posted by Danstar
            And why would you let Ablett roam free the whole game? I swear I saw Boyd look at Ablett and he would intentionally give him 4-5 meters space
            I don't think Eade ever tags Ablett though. Can you remember the last Geelong game where we had a hard tag on Ablett?

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
              Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

              Originally posted by arkie
              I don't think Eade ever tags Ablett though. Can you remember the last Geelong game where we had a hard tag on Ablett?
              Honestly can't remember. But this looked like we wanted Ablett to run around completly free.

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              • chef
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 14617

                #8
                Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                Originally posted by arkie
                I don't think Eade ever tags Ablett though. Can you remember the last Geelong game where we had a hard tag on Ablett?
                Not since Griffen(2006?) played on him when Ablett was a forward.
                The curse is dead.

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                  Heck, I'd love to believe these theories.........and maybe I would have accepted it for one half of footy, but why then when it obviously wasn't working, wouldn't they have effected some changes? I know Lake started forward in the 3rd qtr, and Everitt went down back, but there weren't too many other moves? I hope you are right ReLoad, I really do!

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                  • Mofra
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 14946

                    #10
                    Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                    Our quickest forward (Grant) back (Harbrow) best burst mid (Cooney) and no 1 ruck (Hudson) will be back next time we play them.

                    4 pretty handy ins - I rate our "outs" as much better than Geelongs.
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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15444

                      #11
                      Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                      Originally posted by Danstar
                      Honestly can't remember. But this looked like we wanted Ablett to run around completly free.
                      I just watched the game again and Boyd was Ablett's direct opponent for 75% of game time.

                      Why he paid him no respect is anyones guess.

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                      • stefoid
                        Senior Player
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 1846

                        #12
                        Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                        Ablett killed boyd.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #13
                          Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                          Originally posted by Mantis
                          I just watched the game again and Boyd was Ablett's direct opponent for 75% of game time.

                          Why he paid him no respect is anyones guess.
                          Yep. And maybe he was told to try play loose against him, but Boyd just never got the ball...

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                          • Mantis
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 15444

                            #14
                            Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                            Originally posted by Danstar
                            Yep. And maybe he was told to try play loose against him, but Boyd just never got the ball...
                            Boyd had 35 disposals, just 4 less than Ablett.

                            It shows that Boydy's touches weren't (aren't) all that damaging and he needs to start to playing more defensive role.

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                            • 1eyedog
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 13235

                              #15
                              Re: Geelong Loss, Rout or Rouse?

                              Originally posted by ReLoad
                              Ok here is my wild theory about the loss to Geelong.

                              Firstly some background:

                              Last year we played our "A game" in the last few rounds against both Geelong and Collingwood, which we won, we basically stuck to the main plan and that was it, it was clear to me that in those two games we threw everything we possibly could at them to win.

                              Looking back at both those games we played our cards too early, Geelong in particular had answers to what we did in that match and were ready to roll against us in the final.

                              Now how does that apply to our loss last week? Well, it was very clear upon watching the replay, and doing a basic review that we did not play our usual game plan, certain players were under clear instructions which differed from the previous month, and even focussing on our runner and whom and where we conveyed messages to.

                              Its actually really clear that we had no intent of playing our "A game" against them, I got the distinct feeling that they had and were willing (given injuries and the like) to try different things.

                              I am NOT making excuses for the performance, nor the outcomes from the loss, nor am I saying that it was an OK result, I am merely suggesting that given history, the circumstances and the clear change in modus operandi that we were up to something.

                              Now of course it all went horribly wrong, but at NO stage did the coaches box or players attempt to change what was happening, now bag them all you like but the coaches box is full of smart guys, they knew exactly what was unfolding and how it was playing out, they were under no illusion that they were trying something different, and were of course paying the price for it.

                              So perhaps for the risk of trying to polish and put glitter on the proverbial i am not concerned nor upset because i think they are doing things differently this year, and heaven knows we have to.

                              That's my .02 Peoples Republic of West Footscray Roubles.

                              What a very odd thing to do two weeks out from finals. A 100 point defeat does not instill confidence in the young guys of this side. I hope we are good enough to recover. The only positive I can put on this is that we are the clear underdogs again, probably with little to no expectation to win the flag. Saturday's loss also should provide a pretty good kick in the guts to all of our players in terms of how much work needs to be done between now and the grand final. If you want it you can get it, remember how important it is to you all boys> Well heads down bums up and make it happen rather than just coasting along.
                              But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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