Hudson keen to boost Dogs' big-man stocks

[Sedat]

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The great irony in Hudson is that he was right under our noses at Werribee in 2003, when we could have gotten him for a pick in the 50's. Iszac Thompson was our late selection that year - sometimes the Clayton ethos of drafting for upside doesn't always pay off. I'm sure that Hudson would have been looked at but considered one-dimensional and not going to improve. Now he is going to cost us a lot more than a lowly 4th round pick in a weak draft year.

Having said that, he really does fit our immediate needs very well. He is both an inside clearance winner (something we lack in spades) and a very good tap ruckman (something we also lack in spades). I certainly back us going for him but at a reasonable price and not the rubbish sprouted across the border.

[LostDoggy]

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The great irony in Hudson is that he was right under our noses at Werribee in 2003, when we could have gotten him for a pick in the 50's. Iszac Thompson was our late selection that year - sometimes the Clayton ethos of drafting for upside doesn't always pay off. I'm sure that Hudson would have been looked at but considered one-dimensional and not going to improve. Now he is going to cost us a lot more than a lowly 4th round pick in a weak draft year.

Not sure if its Clayton's fault, we might have been full on ruckman.
We traded for Street at pick 19 or 20 when he was about to be delisted.

[Sedat]

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Not sure if its Clayton's fault, we might have been full on ruckman.
We traded for Street at pick 19 or 20 when he was about to be delisted.

Fair call. We had Darce in his prime, we just picked up Street and we drafted Will the year before. However, we have not drafted or traded for a ruckman since; 4 years is a long time to rely on 3 ruckmen in your entire squad, especially as your #1 ruckman has had 2 knee recos in that time. I think we have been derelict in our duty by not drafting or trading for at least 2 ruckmen in the last 4 years, and at long last it seems that our match committee agrees.

[FrediKanoute]

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Fair call. We had Darce in his prime, we just picked up Street and we drafted Will the year before. However, we have not drafted or traded for a ruckman since; 4 years is a long time to rely on 3 ruckmen in your entire squad, especially as your #1 ruckman has had 2 knee recos in that time. I think we have been derelict in our duty by not drafting or trading for at least 2 ruckmen in the last 4 years, and at long last it seems that our match committee agrees.

I disagree with that part of your post. In 2005 when Darcy first went down we had, Darcy, Street and Minson as our rucks. Darcy the veteran, Street the ready to peak and Minson as the developing. I would say the only thing we lacked was a young totally raw ruck on the rookie or freshly drafted.

In 2006, after the draft and trading period for 2005, we lost Darcy and hence were forced to rely on Street and Minson who between them did a pretty good job in 2006. Throw in Skipper a pinch hitter and whilst we weren't great we held our own.

In 2007. after the 2006 draft and trading period we expected to have Darcy back, Street improve and Minson challenge for the No.1 spot - it simply didn't happen. Darcy never got back to his best (or even close to it), Street was patchy and without an able back up in Minson as was the case in 2006 began to be exposed. Minson went backwards and then got injured. Probably our biggest mistake in 2007 was that we didn't try Skipper earlier in the season.

[Rocco Jones]

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Hudson was second in both total and average contested possesions this season. Pretty good achievement for a ruckman coming off a knee injury. If we can get him for pick 21 in a weak draft, I'll be happy. People who know a lot more about draftees have told me that a 2nd round draft pick this year is worth less than a 3rd rounder from last year. Hudson fills a massive need.

[LostDoggy]

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I disagree with that part of your post. In 2005 when Darcy first went down we had, Darcy, Street and Minson as our rucks. Darcy the veteran, Street the ready to peak and Minson as the developing. I would say the only thing we lacked was a young totally raw ruck on the rookie or freshly drafted.

In 2006, after the draft and trading period for 2005, we lost Darcy and hence were forced to rely on Street and Minson who between them did a pretty good job in 2006. Throw in Skipper a pinch hitter and whilst we weren't great we held our own.

In 2007. after the 2006 draft and trading period we expected to have Darcy back, Street improve and Minson challenge for the No.1 spot - it simply didn't happen. Darcy never got back to his best (or even close to it), Street was patchy and without an able back up in Minson as was the case in 2006 began to be exposed. Minson went backwards and then got injured. Probably our biggest mistake in 2007 was that we didn't try Skipper earlier in the season.

Agree with this. 2 years ago we had nothing to worry about with ruckman. Darcy still had 3-4 years left in him Minson was young, Street was solid and you could count on him to fill in, skipper was on the list and we had hope for him and Wight was raw, but still there. Lots of potential in those guys BAR Darcy. 2 years later, we got nothing....funny how things change.

Seriously, we were looking sweet. How wonderful hindsight is.

[The Underdog]

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According to todays Hun, we've got ourselves a ruckman, trade to be determined of course, but Hudson has quit the Crows and wants a trade to us.
Meesen also asked for a trade to the Dees

[GVGjr]

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This is in the paper today



MICHELANGELO RUCCI

September 29, 2007 02:15am

ADELAIDE formally lost two ruckmen - Ben Hudson and John Meesen - and put experienced forward Scott Welsh on notice yesterday.

Meesen, the club's first-round draft pick in 2004, has told the Crows he wants to be traded to Melbourne which has offered the 21-year-old a contract.

Hudson, the Crows' lead ruckman this season, has ended all negotiations with Adelaide and confirmed he will join the Western Bulldogs on a three-year deal. The Crows would not budge on offering the 28-year-old more than two seasons.

Welsh, who is out of contract, yesterday was identified by Adelaide as the player at the centre of a police report by an 18-year-old woman outside a Hindley Street nightclub last Saturday morning.

Adelaide has described Welsh's behaviour towards the teenager as "totally unacceptable". The Crows have written to Welsh and his management declaring a new contract will include a clause putting the 28-year-old forward at risk of being sacked if there is another off-field drama.

Adelaide did not fine Welsh, but ordered he seek behavioural counselling and a behavioural clause in his new contract.

Adelaide football operations manager John Reid said the Crows would now negotiate trades for Meesen and Hudson with both the Western Bulldogs and Melbourne. Trade week opens on Monday week.

"There is nothing further to be done with Ben Hudson other than to do a deal with the Western Bulldogs," Reid said.

"John Meesen gave genuine thought to his future at Adelaide - which did change with Ben leaving the club - but has decided to join Melbourne."

Adelaide's difficulty in trade week is that neither the Bulldogs nor Melbourne are compelled to work a deal with the Crows.

The Bulldogs can claim Hudson - without compensation - with the fourth pick in the pre-season draft. Melbourne can do the same with Meesen with the No. 3 call in the pre-season draft.

Carlton, at No. 1, and Richmond, at No. 2, have declared they would pass up on Meesen and Hudson if they enter the draft as uncontracted players.

[The Coon Dog]

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Almost seems like common sense for them to both nominate for the PSD if, as the report suggest they will be bypassed by Carlton & Richmond.

Obviously that would be a worse case result for Adelaide & they would be filthy. If I was in their position & that happened I'd feel aggrieved. Also, it would get Adelaide's back up, making further trades down the track difficult.

Common sense to prevail & we'll do a deal, just hope it's a 3rd rounder.

[southerncross]

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I think the fact that Eade is happy to offer Hudson a three deal is a strong reflection that he really doesn't rate the ruck position that highly.
If we were to get Hudson via the PSD then I would prefer that we don't trade for anyone else.
There is only one other player on the Adelaide list appeals to me and that is Richard Douglas. For a midfielder/forward he takes a strong grab and is very good with his tackles and contested ball work.

[Twodogs]

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Almost seems like common sense for them to both nominate for the PSD if, as the report suggest they will be bypassed by Carlton & Richmond.

Obviously that would be a worse case result for Adelaide & they would be filthy. If I was in their position & that happened I'd feel aggrieved. Also, it would get Adelaide's back up, making further trades down the track difficult.

Common sense to prevail & we'll do a deal, just hope it's a 3rd rounder.

Bugger 'em.


Remember Kym Koster and Simon Tregenza? By my reckoning they still owe us one.

[The Coon Dog]

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Bugger 'em.


Remember Kym Koster and Simon Tregenza? By my reckoning they still owe us one.

Fair enough, particularly when you throw in Tony McGiunness!

[Twodogs]

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Fair enough, particularly when you throw in Tony McGiunness!

Forgot about him. It's two they owe us then.

[hargs37]

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doesn't anyone remember Shane Ellen either.

[Rocco Jones]

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Meesen and Hudson have quit the Crows and signalled their intentions to join Melbourne and the Bulldogs respectively.

Their local media believes the Blues and Tigers would pass up on the pair if they enetered the PSD. The Tigers seem really keen on Mitch Morton. It looks like we can use the PSD for bargaining power at the very least.