TEAMS - Round 22

[LostDoggy]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

Trade bait.

I would have thought Cordy is at-least two years away from a second Ruck. So who would back up next year for Hudson and Roughead if we trade him. We should know by the end of next year whether Cordy can play at the higher level then we can look at trading.

[LostDoggy]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

When Hudson goes it will be Minno and Roughie

That's the way i was looking at it, although i think Huddo has a while to go yet.

[chef]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

When Hudson goes it will be Minno and Roughie

If Huddo goes on for another two seasons It could be Roughead and Cordy.

[chef]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

I would have thought Cordy is at-least two years away from a second Ruck. So who would back up next year for Hudson and Roughead if we trade him. We should know by the end of next year whether Cordy can play at the higher level then we can look at trading.

I agree, I would rather keep him but if he sees himself dropping down to third in line with Cordy also in the wings it could be him and not the club wanting a trade.

[GVGjr]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

The one guy giving us the most defensive pressure in our forward 50 - whilst still kicking goals?

Hahn had to go because Everitt can now give a chop out defensively. If the MC think Mitch is a better option to swing back, they must have forgotten his horrible performance against Leigh Brown.

You're right but it still would have been a decision between Jones and Hahn for me

[Twodogs]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

You're right but it still would have been a decision between Jones and Hahn for me

If only every decision was as easy as that one.

[LostDoggy]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

If Huddo goes on for another two seasons It could be Roughead and Cordy.

I agree, I would rather keep him but if he sees himself dropping down to third in line with Cordy also in the wings it could be him and not the club wanting a trade.

Agree - Cordy in a year or two will overtake Minson based on Wills current form line. That said I think there is room for 3 ruckmen on the list - whether it gets to the point though that Will is permanently in the 2's only time will tell - if this is the case you would expect him to be looking elsewhere.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

Agree - Cordy in a year or two will overtake Minson based on Wills current form line. That said I think there is room for 3 ruckmen on the list - whether it gets to the point though that Will is permanently in the 2's only time will tell - if this is the case you would expect him to be looking elsewhere.

No disrespect to Ayce, but what is his current form line? He hasn't been able to string together any games at all over his first 2 years, and it's likely it'll be another couple at least before he can.

I certainly still think Minson offers quite a bit, and I don't see why we wouldn't keep all three (Hudson, Roughie and Minson)

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

No disrespect to Ayce, but what is his current form line? He hasn't been able to string together any games at all over his first 2 years, and it's likely it'll be another couple at least before he can.

I certainly still think Minson offers quite a bit, and I don't see why we wouldn't keep all three (Hudson, Roughie and Minson)

Our supporters get carried away with Ayce. Reality is, he's done nothing even when he's been on the park. I made the comment at our intra club game this year that people were praising Cordy and slamming Grant. Cordy had maybe 2 possessions.

He's extremely raw and he'll take another 2 or 3 years before we see much of him IMO.

Minson still has a spot on the list, possibly even in the 22. He did have an interrupted pre-season after all.

[LostDoggy]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

Not a big problem against Essendon who are actually quite a slow team despite their media image, but we need to work on our defensive structures in preparation for Collingwood next week.

They looked very quick against us last time we played them. If there is one thing I would like to see this weekend is some pressure in our inside 50 - nonexistent last time

[Mofra]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

I saw enough last year to suggest to me that Ayce will be a good player for us, but that was more to do with workrate & running ability as a forward (and some crumbing efforts). Jones wasn't playing then (and has overtaken him) and Grant has certainly overtaken him.

I wouldn't want to bank on Cordy being right in two years' time, considering he has the same build of a young Warnock and he's taken longer to establish himself. Will is a no 1 bash & crash ruck and will take over from Hudson when he retires, as well as filling in over the next two years considering Hudson will probably be rested here and there - and as we've seen with Johnno, Aker & West, when an older player starts to decline it's more like hitting a cliff than a gentle slope.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

In regards to the side we're fielding, surely we can't carry all of Grant, Jones, Hahn and Everitt to the finals?

Grant and Everitt should be a lock.

Jones applies plenty of defensive pressure - should get the nod.

It leaves Hahn in the dark, obviously, but who should replace him? Is it worth playing somebody like Stack despite his cruel flaws of intensity? At least he's quick - puts him ahead of Mitch.

[stefoid]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

They looked very quick against us last time we played them. If there is one thing I would like to see this weekend is some pressure in our inside 50 - nonexistent last time

Essendon play quick, regardless of their legs peed. If you dont force them to turn it over they will kill you - like they did to us last time. Not a team to get lazy against. On the other hand, if you pressure them they fold like a 3 legged card table.

Cordy is hyper thin and delicate (loose joints, shoulder recos, etc...). Long term he seems to me to be a forward and punch hit ruck. It would be madness to trade Minson and leave us one injury away from playing Williams in the ruck.

Besides, there is nothing to say that Minson wont improve - he certainly has pressure on his spot for now, so balls in his court. time to sing for your supper Will.

edit: I was going to change legs peed to leg speed, but with essendon, I think Ill leave it how I typed it

[mjp]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

It leaves Hahn in the dark, obviously, but who should replace him? Is it worth playing somebody like Stack despite his cruel flaws of intensity? At least he's quick - puts him ahead of Mitch.

I am happy to give Mitch Hahn the benefit of the doubt re- last week. It was his first one back in and everyone got beaten. If he is poor again this weekend to me that is the end of it though and he shouldn't play again this year.

I wouldn't play Stack under any circumstances. To me he is a marginal state level player, let alone an AFL player. He wont put his head over the ball and fumbles under pressure.

Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?

[Murphy'sLore]

Re: TEAMS - Round 22

Hill has been very poor at times - that I know. I would back him in now though - if there is anyone outside the core group who could provide some legitimate run and goals - proven at AFL level - it is Josh. I think he is STILL our third leading goal-kicker on the season, in only 12 games.

Isn't it time to show some faith and back him in?

^^^^ This. At the risk of showing my ignorance, isn't the game decided in the end on who kicks the most goals? I understand Hill has many flaws, but he does seem to kick goals, doesn't he?