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  • Hotdog60
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Aug 2009
    • 5904

    #16
    Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

    Originally posted by Rocco Jones
    'Coming off the bench'? Bench players are long gone in the modern game. Anyone who plays less than 70% is really placing a burden on the rest of the team.
    Sorry, I'm an old fashion supporter and habits are hard to change
    Don't piss off old people
    The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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    • Rocco Jones
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jun 2008
      • 6932

      #17
      Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

      Originally posted by Hotdog60
      Sorry, I'm an old fashion supporter and habits are hard to change
      I read my reply, I am sorry if I came across as insulting (I think I can do that and actually really dislike make posters feel uncomfortable about offering different suggestions). I can actually see the logic behind your suggestion, just that the modern game doesn't really allow for it.

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      • azabob
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2008
        • 15305

        #18
        Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

        Originally posted by Mantis
        Who should we play in defence instead of him?

        Options I see would be Everitt, Tiller, Markovic or Boumann.

        Make your choice....
        Mute point but I think Tiller would be a better option, just hasn't had the game time.
        More of an In Bruges guy?

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        • Hotdog60
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Aug 2009
          • 5904

          #19
          Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

          Originally posted by Rocco Jones
          I read my reply, I am sorry if I came across as insulting (I think I can do that and actually really dislike make posters feel uncomfortable about offering different suggestions). I can actually see the logic behind your suggestion, just that the modern game doesn't really allow for it.
          NP, I'm very easy going and somebody would have to be down right insulting to the point of verbal abuse to upset me, I threw it out there and you gave me your opinion which everyone is entitle to do. That's what forums are about.


          P.S. the only reason I went down that track was OP couldn't see any value down back or up forward and that only left in the centre as he looks like staying in the side as the general consensus is the MC like him.
          Don't piss off old people
          The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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          • comrade
            Hall of Fame
            • Jun 2008
            • 18029

            #20
            Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

            Originally posted by Mantis
            Who should we play in defence instead of him?

            Options I see would be Everitt, Tiller, Markovic or Boumann.

            Make your choice....
            One player went back with the flight twice against Geelong and took goal saving marks even though we were getting pumped.

            The other got towelled up by Leigh Brown.

            I choose Everitt.

            Every day of the week.
            Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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            • comrade
              Hall of Fame
              • Jun 2008
              • 18029

              #21
              Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

              Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
              I think it is a little different.

              Mitch actually started out as a defender and is more than a pinch hitter. He plays tall and goes ok one on one with the right match up.

              He has really been a forward of convenience over the journey to plug a hole.
              Leigh Brown is his ideal match up and he still got beaten

              Mitch ain't a defender. Hell, it's line ball if he's even an AFL standard footballer these days.
              Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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              • Rocco Jones
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jun 2008
                • 6932

                #22
                Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

                Originally posted by comrade
                One player went back with the flight twice against Geelong and took goal saving marks even though we were getting pumped.

                The other got towelled up by Leigh Brown.

                Everitt.

                Every day of the week.
                And the next week Dre was dropped.

                Eade doesn't rate his intensity. I think he has bigger issues with confidence. Being dropped at any possible chance obviously can destroy a player's confidence as well as their motivation.

                I think confidence is especially important for a player with Dre's inbetweener attributes. Can be the difference between being too tall or mobile and being too small or slow.

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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15447

                  #23
                  Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

                  Originally posted by comrade
                  One player went back with the flight twice against Geelong and took goal saving marks even though we were getting pumped.

                  The other got towelled up by Leigh Brown.

                  I choose Everitt.

                  Every day of the week.
                  He was playing on a first gamer.

                  Leigh Brown might be a spud, but he is also a physically strong player who would throw Everitt around like a rag doll.

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                  • Desipura
                    WOOF Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 4344

                    #24
                    Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

                    Originally posted by Mantis
                    He was playing on a first gamer.

                    Leigh Brown might be a spud, but he is also a physically strong player who would throw Everitt around like a rag doll.
                    I was going to say, playing on Menzel he looked a lot bigger and stronger as opposed to playing on Brown.

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                    • comrade
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 18029

                      #25
                      Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      He was playing on a first gamer.

                      Leigh Brown might be a spud, but he is also a physically strong player who would throw Everitt around like a rag doll.
                      He did the same thing to Hahn.

                      With Morris out, the MC are going to pick the least worst option which in their view (I suspect) seems to be Hahn, but I don't know why.

                      Both Everitt and Hahn will struggle to break even defensively if pitted against a decent forward. Another string to their bow is required so they actually have some value in a tight final.

                      Andrejs is mobile enough to move up the ground and deliver cleanly in to the forward 50. He can also give a chop out in the ruck and give a tall leading option if required.

                      Unfortunately, Mitch can only be thrown forward and then, he doesn't improve the speed or defensive pressure of our forward line.

                      I know Everitt had a below par game against Essendon, but he also did some nice things. His errors seem to be magnified and looked at as validation to omit, where others are constantly looked over.
                      Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                      • Mantis
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 15447

                        #26
                        Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

                        Originally posted by comrade
                        He did the same thing to Hahn.

                        With Morris out, the MC are going to pick the least worst option which in their view (I suspect) seems to be Hahn, but I don't know why.

                        Both Everitt and Hahn will struggle to break even defensively if pitted against a decent forward. Another string to their bow is required so they actually have some value in a tight final.

                        Andrejs is mobile enough to move up the ground and deliver cleanly in to the forward 50. He can also give a chop out in the ruck and give a tall leading option if required.

                        Unfortunately, Mitch can only be thrown forward and then, he doesn't improve the speed or defensive pressure of our forward line.

                        I know Everitt had a below par game against Essendon, but he also did some nice things. His errors seem to be magnified and looked at as validation to omit, where others are constantly looked over.
                        Agree that Hahn looks to be the safe option.

                        Both have flaws in their game, but I too would go with Everitt as there is much more upside to his game, but I'm not sure the MC view it the same.

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                        • Desipura
                          WOOF Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4344

                          #27
                          Re: Déjà vu - Mitch Hahn end of 2010

                          If it is pissing down rain, I would play both Everitt & Hahn and not pick Minson. Everitt to give a chop out to Huddo and wherever else he may be needed and Hahn to play on Brown.

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                          • Sedat
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 11248

                            #28
                            Re: Déjà vu - Micth Hahn end of 2010

                            Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                            And the next week Dre was dropped.

                            Eade doesn't rate his intensity. I think he has bigger issues with confidence. Being dropped at any possible chance obviously can destroy a player's confidence as well as their motivation.

                            I think confidence is especially important for a player with Dre's inbetweener attributes. Can be the difference between being too tall or mobile and being too small or slow.
                            I went to the Round 1 2007 match between the Dogs and Cats with a couple of Geelong mates (the game where Johnno kicked 8 goals). My Geelong mates proceeded to pillory Andrew Mackie at every conceivable opportunity - the rolled eyes and sarcastic comments suggested to me that what he dished out on the day was common-place for him, and to be fair to my mates, Mackie looked apprehensive, unsure and completely lacking in intensity for the whole game. Suffice to say he didn't look that way 5 months later with a premiership medallion draped around his neck and has not looked that way since.

                            Every game Everitt has played for us, he shows signs that he can be a terrific player for us for many years to come - it is interspersed with poor passages of play to be fair. These snippets make me hope that we do keep him, identify a specific role for him in the team, and see him blossom into a Mackie-like success story. Worth noting that he is only 4 months older than Jarran Grant, being a bottom ager in his draft year.

                            Having said that, I understand the concept of trading him at strong worth this year if the percpetions of him are that he will never improve his deficiencies significantly enough to make a serious impact at AFL level. I do, however, agree with the assertions that he seems to be marked harder than some of his teamates. Whatever decision is made on Everitt at the end of the season, I hope it is made for the betterment of the team.
                            "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                            • Sedat
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 11248

                              #29
                              Re: Déjà vu - Mitch Hahn end of 2010

                              Mitch shouldn't have an automatic pass into the team but I am assuming he will play this week. With that in mind, I want him nowhere near our forward 50 and would much prefer to see him effectively replacing Morris in our defensive unit.

                              Moles is the other player that I'm not sold on to add value to the team on Saturday night in a tight final. His awareness is poor at the best of times, let alone in the cauldron of a cut-throat final against the best H&A team of the season. He will add some running power, which we lack in spades with Cooney out and Griffen 50-50 at best, so I think that might save his place in the team this week. I'd personally have one of Moles or Eagleton in the team at any given time, but not both.
                              "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                              • Scraggers
                                Premiership Moderator
                                • Jun 2008
                                • 3565

                                #30
                                Re: Déjà vu - Mitch Hahn end of 2010

                                Originally posted by Desipura
                                If it is pissing down rain, I would play both Everitt & Hahn and not pick Minson. Everitt to give a chop out to Huddo and wherever else he may be needed and Hahn to play on Brown.
                                Agreed ... As much as I love big Wilbur

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