2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

[comrade]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Tambling > Sherman

[G-Mo77]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Tambling > Sherman

Who is cheaper?

I'd like to have a crack at Tambling.

[Desipura]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Sherman kicks the odd goal does not get alot of it. I remember him more for his goal celebrations than anything else. He is a strong bodied player who has pace. They are rare types.

[comrade]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Who is cheaper?

I'd like to have a crack at Tambling.

Sherman is supposedly on $400K a season which is way, way over the odds. Voss and his list management team should be shot.

Given a specific role in a new environment, I think Tambling really could shine - and if he doesn't, at least we have a scape goat replacement for Eagleton

[Mofra]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Come rd 1 next year I would hope that the shell of the team looks like this:

B: Morris, Lake, ***
HB: Wood, Williams, Murphy
C: Griffen, Ward, Picken
HF: Higgins, Jones, Grant
F: ***, Hall, ***
R: Hudson, Cross, Cooney

Int: Reid, ***, Roughead, ***

Interesting you have Reid in as an automatic, ahead of Gilbee. I'd probably swap them.
Jones, Wood, Roughead & Grant are the kids who should approach the pre-season believing they are best 22 players.
I very much hope to see Hooper next to Hall in round 1 - means he'd have had a solid pre-season and he does add somethign we lack.

[Mofra]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Sherman is supposedly on $400K a season which is way, way over the odds. Voss and his list management team should be shot.

Given a specific role in a new environment, I think Tambling really could shine - and if he doesn't, at least we have a scape goat replacement for Eagleton

I'd love to have Sherman in the side - the kid played this year for peanuts to help the team out (back-ended contract) so if we re-write the contract at his current rate ($300k) and gave him 3 years he'd be perfect for us.

I'd be in favour of Tambling as well - he could become the outside pacy wingman we lack.

[DOG GOD]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I feel quite mixed on the Tambling scenario. For one, i dont think he would come that cheap, and although he would add much needed pace to our squad, how is his defensive efforts and skill level? Its alright to have pace and run with the ball, but its no good if you are turning it over constantly with poor disposal.

[comrade]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I feel quite mixed on the Tambling scenario. For one, i dont think he would come that cheap, and although he would add much needed pace to our squad, how is his defensive efforts and skill level? Its alright to have pace and run with the ball, but its no good if you are turning it over constantly with poor disposal.

I don't think his disposal is really an issue, rather his ability to get into games and have an impact.

He reminds me of Farren Ray. With a change in environment and a defined role, a high draft pick who floated and struggled to influence games has become a valuable member of a premiership contender.

Their worth is about the same, IMO. Late second rounder or a decent player (Everitt) and third rounder.

[azabob]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Need to look at that roles Gilbee, Boyd and Hargrave play within the team. Gilbee and Hargrave especially look to move on.

Have been frustrated with our centre square clearance and kick outs this season, hopefully we can work on those.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

The fact is, it isn't the list that is the problem. I point my finger at the MC. They are the ones that need a change. I'm damn sure that if our MC was at Collingwood, Fraser, Lockyer and Medhurst would all still be in.
We need to expand our list of "walk in" players to 30, and get rid of a "best 22" selection attitude. Make sure we peak at finals time by rotating players out in rounds 15 to 20, and stick to our structures when the momentum swings against us during games. With our current list, we will continue to be a contended for the next 2-3 years. I think with the changes I have flagged here, we could be better in 2011. We lose nothing by replacing Johnson, Hahn, Eagleton, Harbrow with Cooney, Higgins, Ried, Jones, Moles, Roughead, Hooper etc.

[becmatty]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Come rd 1 next year I would hope that the shell of the team looks like this:

B: Morris, Lake, ***
HB: Wood, Williams, Murphy
C: Griffen, Ward, Picken
HF: Higgins, Jones, Grant
F: ***, Hall, ***
R: Hudson, Cross, Cooney

Int: Reid, ***, Roughead, ***

The rest can fight for the other spots.

Boyd is the 2009 B&F andwill finish in the top 5 this year. He, Gilbee, Hargrave and Giansiracusa are automatic selections. Ridiculous to think that you would justify leaving them out based on being similar players to the others listed. Great teams adapt and evolve. In order for us to be successful, we need to be flexible with our line-up and develop all our players to become versitile in a range of roles.

[comrade]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Boyd is the 2009 B&F andwill finish in the top 5 this year. He, Gilbee, Hargrave and Giansiracusa are automatic selections. Ridiculous to think that you would justify leaving them out based on being similar players to the others listed. Great teams adapt and evolve. In order for us to be successful, we need to be flexible with our line-up and develop all our players to become versitile in a range of roles.

Mantis left them out because they continually fail to produce results in big games. Hargrave and Gilbee were terrible for the most part this year and should not be automatic inclusions.

Picking players based on reputation has seen us fall short once again. Maybe we should 'adapt and evolve' our selection criteria to include current form?

[MrMahatma]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Boyd is the 2009 B&F andwill finish in the top 5 this year. He, Gilbee, Hargrave and Giansiracusa are automatic selections. Ridiculous to think that you would justify leaving them out based on being similar players to the others listed. Great teams adapt and evolve. In order for us to be successful, we need to be flexible with our line-up and develop all our players to become versitile in a range of roles.

What are the 'range of roles' that Boyd can play?

Let's face it, most guys are good at one thing, and possibly OK at another. You need different guys whose strengths are different, not a bunch of guys who are all good at the same thing and try and make them good at something else.

I really think that this finals series should have ramifications in terms of selections. Largely, our best players were some of our youngest. If the young kids are playing good footy we should be winning more finals because the old guys should be playing good foot too. Problem is they choke in finals.

[boydogs]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

Mantis left them out because they continually fail to produce results in big games. Hargrave and Gilbee were terrible for the most part this year and should not be automatic inclusions.

Picking players based on reputation has seen us fall short once again. Maybe we should 'adapt and evolve' our selection criteria to include current form?

There are too many players letting us down to fix things at the MC. They have a lot to offer in other areas, so I think we must take the approach that we need them to focus on contested & defensive work, but still give them games.

Show this in the captain selection, in meetings, at training, in the game plan, in player feedback, in the way we measure and reward players internally.

St Kilda dropped Dal Santo and Milne to send a message that team standards must be met - do that for sure, but if we were playing next week & dropped all the players below par we wouldn't have a side

[LostDoggy]

Re: 2011 - What we need to win a Premiership

I think a lot of people here are on the right track, list management is vital, hopefully the MC have greater control and flexibility in team selections by effectively resting players, rewarding players, investing in youth and penalising repeat offenders. Damn hard job but I am sure those guys get paid well.