What type of player is the 'Sub'?

[mighty_west]

Re: Filling the new 'sub' role?

I believe it will all depend on match up's any given week and also rotating players throughout the year to play as that sit on the bench player, for instance if they go in with a ruckman each & every time, it limits that players game time for the year, he isn't even getting full game time at Williamstown either.

Forget about having your best 22 every week, we will need to have a best 28 or so, and using one of those players, could perhaps rest a player here & there later on in the season as well by just giving him a quarter or so, such as Barry Hall, Ben Hudson etc.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Filling the new 'sub' role?

Super sub Murphy, if his knee keeps on getting worse.

A season of good late 3rd quarter and 4th quarter cameos may end up better than a season of full games and having him restricted for half the season.

[soupman]

Re: Filling the new 'sub' role?

It would be a good way to ease a player back in after an injury.

Another option could be to play around with 3 ruckmen (I doubt we'd do this though). ie. Begin with Minson in the ruck with Roughead as support and up forward. Minson rucks almost the entire first half with a view to tiring out the opposing ruck. Minson has to bash and crash and make life as difficult as possible. Then at half time Minson comes off for Hudson, who rucks the vast majoirty of the second half fresh whilst the opposing ruck/rucks are still sore.

[mjp]

Re: What type of player is the 'Sub'?

Who is the sub? Someone not good enough to be in the first 21!

It would be very risky making it someone down on fitness - you might need him within 2 minutes if a Cooney vs Sydney situation occurs...whoever it needs has to be able to play out a full game.

In reality, it is a midfielders game. The most likely outcome is that the bench will change from a tall utility, ruckman and two mids to a tall utility and two mids with the sub also a midfielder.

The chopping the arms rule aside, this is the single dumbest rule change ever made.

[EasternWest]

Re: What type of player is the 'Sub'?

Who is the sub? Someone not good enough to be in the first 21!

It would be very risky making it someone down on fitness - you might need him within 2 minutes if a Cooney vs Sydney situation occurs...whoever it needs has to be able to play out a full game.

In reality, it is a midfielders game. The most likely outcome is that the bench will change from a tall utility, ruckman and two mids to a tall utility and two mids with the sub also a midfielder.

The chopping the arms rule aside, this is the single dumbest rule change ever made.

Couldn't agree more. I can't even postulate on this thread because the notion is so ridiculous to me.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: What type of player is the 'Sub'?

this is the single dumbest rule change ever made.

I don't get this at all.

The death of the ruckman? It will be until some coach brings a fresh ruckman on late in a game and he wins the game for his side, then everyone will want to do it.


I actually suggested this rule change to Rodney perhaps 18 months ago and he hated the idea. He said he would instruct his guys to waste time but holding the ball in the back half and kicking back and forth to each other to give everyone a rest.

I didn't understand this either. I could if the other mob were fitter than you and running over the top, but if you were travelling better than them, surely you would be putting your foot to their throat?



I like the change but not for the reasons the AFL have given. I don't care how many interchanges a game a coach makes, it doesn't hurt ice hockey.

What I do want is to see is Barry Hall beating his direct opponent one-on-one because the other mob is too tried to flood back.
Adam Cooney resting in the forward pocket instead of sitting on the bench.
Daniel Cross outrunning Dane Swan in the last quarter.

[jeemak]

Re: What type of player is the 'Sub'?

I don't get this at all.

The death of the ruckman? It will be until some coach brings a fresh ruckman on late in a game and he wins the game for his side, then everyone will want to do it.


I actually suggested this rule change to Rodney perhaps 18 months ago and he hated the idea. He said he would instruct his guys to waste time but holding the ball in the back half and kicking back and forth to each other to give everyone a rest.

I didn't understand this either. I could if the other mob were fitter than you and running over the top, but if you were travelling better than them, surely you would be putting your foot to their throat?

I like the change but not for the reasons the AFL have given. I don't care how many interchanges a game a coach makes, it doesn't hurt ice hockey.

What I do want is to see is Barry Hall beating his direct opponent one-on-one because the other mob is too tried to flood back.
Adam Cooney resting in the forward pocket instead of sitting on the bench.
Daniel Cross outrunning Dane Swan in the last quarter.

I don't buy the death of the ruckman line of thought either. It just means some ruckmen will survive and others will have to work on their game and add more strings to their bows.

Bolded point is a concern for me. I tend to think if teams are fatigued they will be more inclined to sacrifice the attacking aspect of their play and restrict the oppositions ball movement forward. Then rely on their ability to hit up targets more effectively than other teams. I fear that like other rules introduced to stop teams from putting numbers back this will have the opposite effect (think not allowing a mark to be paid after kicking it backwards, and increasing the minimum kicking distance). Anyway, time will tell but I can see a slow, basketball style of transition being more prominent when teams are tired.