Delistings?

[jeemak]

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Hahn has been unable to show poise and balance to get to and win contests. An absolute must in today's football at the top level. As a result he ended being more a liability...fumbling, not able to bend over, missing the ball and colliding with players. I think he has been a great servant of our club but cannot fathom how, in the past, Rohan Smith was encouraged to retire when he lost his speed, yet Mitch appears to be treated differently.

To be fair, Smith's game was more aligned with pace and line breaking than what Mitch's game is.

It's interesting to see where the team is at now, compared with 06 when Smith retired. It was considered back then, that if we were to take our list to the next level we had to move Smith on, we were a team that played some great football over the prvious two years but really needed to freshen up and get some younger players into roles guys like Smith were filling. Now, I think we're in a very similar situation to what we were back then. We're a much better team now, but we've found ourselves in a holding pattern of not quite being good enough to hit a GF appearance and we need to take our list a step further. We've lost Aker, Johnson and Eagleton, I think Hahn needs to follow them.

Not sure if the MC will do it though.

[Topdog]

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Not sure its a sign of no confidence in the recruiting team more of a realisation that by the time you are getting to pick 140 in a draft the pool of talent is thin.....very thin and you then start balancing whether the highly speculative guy you pick will ever make it against a guy like Hahn who if asked could come in and contribute...maybe not at the level needed consistently, but he could still offer more than a 140th pick kid.

I never understand this line of thought. Why does Mitch need to be compared to whoever is around in pick 140. We still have 20 players not in the 22(1). Mitch will be competing for a spot against the guys ranked 23-30(ish). Our younger guys in Jones, Cordy, Howard , etc. are the ones who Mitch should be ranked against not some guy who we are selecting that we hope becomes good in 3-4 years.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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Just thinking of the above points that all have made, I went to put together next years side to see how far down our lists goes before Mitch got a game. This is if all are fit and well and based on a few assumptions.
My side;
B: Morris, Lake, Wood
HB: Gilbee, Williams, Hargrave
C: Sherman, Cross, Ward
HF: Murphy, Grant, Higgo
F: Gia, Hall, Veszpremi
R: Hudson, Boyd, Cooney
I: Griffen, Moles, Picken

This leaves the sub spot open and with out the game plan I would rate the next players in this order.
Reid, Djerrhura, Hill, Jones, Hooper, Addison, Tiller, Hahn, Wallace, Howard, Libba That is with out a spare ruck which would be Roughy, Minson, Cordy.

Based on the attached list and the injury's we have had over the 3 years I would keep Mitch on but on a performance based contract as he could still be required to fill a gap over next season.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I never understand this line of thought. Why does Mitch need to be compared to whoever is around in pick 140. We still have 20 players not in the 22(1). Mitch will be competing for a spot against the guys ranked 23-30(ish). Our younger guys in Jones, Cordy, Howard , etc. are the ones who Mitch should be ranked against not some guy who we are selecting that we hope becomes good in 3-4 years.

It's not that hard to understand.

If Mitch gets delisted we get to draft another kid and our next pick is 90 or so.

The equation is simply is Mitch Hahn in 2011 > Some kid taken at pick 90 in 2011 onwards (for as long as he's on the list).

Personally, I think Hahn = zero. New kid might also = zero (and almost certainly will in 2011) but might not longer term.

[Topdog]

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It's not that hard to understand.

If Mitch gets delisted we get to draft another kid and our next pick is 90 or so.

The equation is simply is Mitch Hahn in 2011 > Some kid taken at pick 90 in 2011 onwards (for as long as he's on the list).

Personally, I think Hahn = zero. New kid might also = zero (and almost certainly will in 2011) but might not longer term.

My point is that is an illogical way of looking at it. If you look at things that way they you never make anyone retire.

[LostDoggy]

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Spoke to a guy who knows Jamason Daniels really well, and he said Daniels was told 3 weeks ago his services were no longer required. He also said that Jamason was heading over to the WAFL and hadn't given up his dream to get on an AFL list again.

[Jasper]

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Think the game has past Hahn by, however, still think there is room for Hahn if Hall was unable to play. Would not like to see Hahn play except if Hall couldn't, and even then only if there was no-one else ready. Of our slower forwards, Jones, Cordy, and Roughead would hopefully be ahead of Hahn by commencement of next year.

Interesting to see what happens, I get the feeling the club will retain Hahn if they can - would prefer we didn't, and roll the dice on a youngster.

[Before I Die]

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Spoke to a guy who knows Jamason Daniels really well, and he said Daniels was told 3 weeks ago his services were no longer required. He also said that Jamason was heading over to the WAFL and hadn't given up his dream to get on an AFL list again.

According to an AFL website article posted on Friday 5 November, both Daniels and Rose are gone. The article lists Panos and Prato as our only rookies.

[Cyberdoggie]

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If your trying to make a mathematical equation of it, then you would need to minus points for Hahn taking a spot at Willy or in the dogs side instead of a younger player who could use the experience in that role.

In 2012 When Hahn is nothing but a memory, we might bring in a kid like Jones for example and then we would look back in hindsight and wished that we gave him a go in 2011 to get some valuable experience in him instead of persisting with a list clogger like Hahn.

For me, Hahn is washed up. Even if he did offer us something this year, he certainly wouldn't the following year. He's in the tail end of his career so naturally his performances will decline sharply if it hasn't already.

[EasternWest]

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If your trying to make a mathematical equation of it, then you would need to minus points for Hahn taking a spot at Willy or in the dogs side instead of a younger player who could use the experience in that role.

In 2012 When Hahn is nothing but a memory, we might bring in a kid like Jones for example and then we would look back in hindsight and wished that we gave him a go in 2011 to get some valuable experience in him instead of persisting with a list clogger like Hahn.

For me, Hahn is washed up. Even if he did offer us something this year, he certainly wouldn't the following year. He's in the tail end of his career so naturally his performances will decline sharply if it hasn't already.

Harsh. Very harsh. I agree that his days are done, but he deserves better than to be given this moniker (even if it's intent is accurate).

Aaron Fiora. There's a list clogger of the highest order.

[Ghost Dog]

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Harsh. Very harsh. I agree that his days are done, but he deserves better than to be given this moniker (even if it's intent is acurate).

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I agree. I suppose I try to write comments imagining that a player might come on here and read them. Mitch is at the tail end of his career, that's true. The other part could have been expressed differently I guess. Anyone know what's going on with negotiations re-Mitch?

[Mitcha]

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Take it as read, Hahn and Tiller gone.

[Desipura]

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Take it as read, Hahn and Tiller gone.

When will it be announced? today?

[Desipura]

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Jarrod Atkinson would be worth a rookie at least. Quick with the ability to run and carry.

[Missing Dog]

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Jarrod Atkinson would be worth a rookie at least. Quick with the ability to run and carry.

He was told last Friday by Essendon to shape up or ship out. He didn't turn up to training yesterday and then rang the club and told them he had lost the passion to play.

Don't touch him with a 10ft pole.