Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

[anfo27]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Seems like the type of player that macca will love to coach and get the best out of. The kid is tough, uncompromising & already in his short career he isn't intimidated by anything which shows he has alot of mental toughness. This kid will blossom under macca and a great pick up from the recruiting team, at least they got one right here.

[ledge]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Seems like the type of player that macca will love to coach and get the best out of. The kid is tough, uncompromising & already in his short career he isn't intimidated by anything which shows he has alot of mental toughness. This kid will blossom under macca and a great pick up from the recruiting team, at least they got one right here.

Beg to differ Dalhaus and Tutt.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Beg to differ Dalhaus and Tutt.

Dahlhaus YES, but Tutty? One decent game against the wooden-spooners (who had just lost their previous two games by over 150 points) does not a 'good pick' make...

[Remi Moses]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Dahlhaus YES, but Tutty? One decent game against the wooden-spooners (who had just lost their previous two games by over 150 points) does not a 'good pick' make...

Regardless of that, on exposed evidence Tutt looks a good player.
You can only go on exposed form! Yes we know it's early doors but the signs are good.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Regardless of that, on exposed evidence Tutt looks a good player.
You can only go on exposed form! Yes we know it's early doors but the signs are good.

Oh, no doubt the early signs are reasonable enough, but calling it a good pick is going a bit early I think... the verdict is out for me until at least another dozen games or so (at least). I think we go a bit early sometimes both ways -- in either writing a player off or calling them 200 gamers (not that I'm saying anyone has done that here) after one or two matches.

Kinda like suggestions of two first-rounders for Butcher after two and a half better than average games.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

No doubt Tutt has a long way to go. He's showed a couple of decent signs (namely pace) but he is far from a 'sure thing' to make it.

It's absolutely vital Howard and Tutt become good players for us, though. We really can't afford any 'misses' with our batch of kids - or we'll linger down the bottom for some time to come.

[Mofra]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Dahlhaus YES, but Tutty? One decent game against the wooden-spooners (who had just lost their previous two games by over 150 points) does not a 'good pick' make...

He was picked on the back of showing more than a bit in the VFL, and wasn't our worst against Hawthorn.
He's being touted on more than one game, given he did enough to make the team in the first place.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

He was picked on the back of showing more than a bit in the VFL, and wasn't our worst against Hawthorn.
He's being touted on more than one game, given he did enough to make the team in the first place.

Come on -- if w're touting players on VFL form now Addison is going to be a 200 gamer and Gilbee should have 5 years at AFL level left. Heck, Guy O'Keefe was BOG at VFL level more than a dozen times.

[Mofra]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Come on -- if w're touting players on VFL form now Addison is going to be a 200 gamer and Gilbee should have 5 years at AFL level left. Heck, Guy O'Keefe was BOG at VFL level more than a dozen times.

So we can't differentiate between someone showing the attributes that will transfer to AFL level and those that can't? How does anyone get picked in the first place then?

Tutt deserved his shot at senior level and has played more than 1 AFL game - if you disagree, what limitations do you think are holding him back from being a AFL player?

[Twodogs]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

I like his running ability and he reads the game well but I'd like to think he will become better known for his ability to play the game than for his ability to crack wise with opposition players.

I hope he doesnt lose his ability to sledge the opposition. Getting your opponent to lose his focus on the ball because he's more interested in geting back at you is a good ability to have.


Michael Voss, Martin Pyke and Chris and Brad Scott were masters at sledgng. Their ability to suck the opposition in were huge parts in their sucess at playing the game. Tony Liberatore extended his career probably by two or three extra years with his sledging skill.

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

I hope he doesnt lose his ability to sledge the opposition. Getting your opponent to lose his focus on the ball because he's more interested in geting back at you is a good ability to have.

Sledging is fine but there is that line you can cross and there is a significant downside to it as Sherman can testify to.
Does the youngster know that?

Michael Voss, Martin Pyke and Chris and Brad Scott were masters at sledgng. Their ability to suck the opposition in were huge parts in their sucess at playing the game. Tony Liberatore extended his career probably by two or three extra years with his sledging skill.

When I think of those guys they are all footballers first but also known for having an ability to rile an opponent with some well placed words. Let Schofield be known as a footballer before being known for having a smart mouth. At the moment it's the other way around.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Tutt is going to be a gun. Not scared to run with the ball and knows he's got the pace. Has a decent kick and over time and experience will make better decisions. Dalhouse, tutt and schofield along with jones And libba i have high hopes for and believe will be very very good players at afl level.

[Twodogs]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Sledging is fine but there is that line you can cross and there is a significant downside to it as Sherman can testify to.
Does the youngster know that?

Let Schofield be known as a footballer before being known for having a smart mouth. At the moment it's the other way around.

I agree with that. I'd just hate to see the kid to lose his ability to get under the opposition's skin. We already have enough players who are too quiet on the field.

[ledge]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

Dahlhaus YES, but Tutty? One decent game against the wooden-spooners (who had just lost their previous two games by over 150 points) does not a 'good pick' make...

Doesnt make him bad either, you can only play on the opposition your handed with.
My point though was you said ONE player I think we have more and named a couple I think will go ok.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Welcome to the Dogs Jayden Schofield

So we can't differentiate between someone showing the attributes that will transfer to AFL level and those that can't? How does anyone get picked in the first place then?

Tutt deserved his shot at senior level and has played more than 1 AFL game - if you disagree, what limitations do you think are holding him back from being a AFL player?

Never disagreed with this -- I agree completely that he deserved his shot (was pushing for it myself on this forum) and has played okay in the couple of games he's had.

I'm just saying that it's far, far too early to call it one way or the other if he'll be a good AFL player or not, and that's just a fact. All we can say is that he has the potential to be one (which is how they get picked in the first place, to answer your question). Potential does not a 'good pick' make -- surely you see the difference between a good prospect and a good player.

People get precious (and rightly so) when a player is maligned prematurely after a handful of games. I think the reverse also holds. We know now with hindsight that using pick 11 on Everitt turned out to be a 'bad pick', but after his first 3 or so games, which were MUCH better than Tutty's, against better opponents, those of us going early would have called it a 'good pick', which would have been premature.

I have EVERY hope that Tutty turns out to be a 100+ gamer, and the signs are reasonable, but I'm just suggesting that deferring judgment on players until we have a bit more evidence (at AFL level) and trying to look at things objectively may help in analysing a list accurately as opposed to either overrating or underrating it -- sometimes, also, we end up maligning a player simply because we put too much expectation on them in the first place after a couple of good games.