Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

[ledge]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

I thought Jones and Grant showed plenty of fight last year they chased ,tackled and harassed Hooper for mine is with Hill he needs to prove himself I dont want a crumbing forward that is not up to it. We need players earning their spots and getting out of their comfort zone and i think our depth this year is much more evenly spread so this should happen

Problem with these 2 are they are mainly marking forwards where we need crumbers under them.
They chased etc but they also went for the marks as well, meaning that they were losing a split second on the second effort.
Jones was clashing with Hall at times, both going for the same mark due to thats the height and game they play, a smaller player would have waited for the spill and then come into play.
What I am talking about is the one waiting for the spill, the little in and under. Hooper I think has the build and tenacity to be that one.
A liberatore type player but knows where the goals are.
Gia I just cant fathom is he a marking player or a crumber, seems he is the one who either takes a player out of the game by going wide or marking against his opponent, maybe I am wrong but he doesnt seem to crumb a lot.
This might have been Eades game plan with Gia.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

I disagree with your points on Addison and i think you'll find at times where some selections baffled you we probably had no choice other than to go with injured / underdone players.

There seems to be relatives of Addison posting to this site who give him unbelievable wraps from time-to-time. Trying to brainwash us. Not die-hard supporters, have to counteract their BS. You don't seem to be one as your support seems to be mild, but watch out for people who like to play him in the centre or say that he was one of the best on the ground when credible posters say he was beaten.

Eade is fast approaching the record for a coach with the most games without a grand final appearance.
Rocket coached Sydney to a GF appearence in 1996.

Sorry, make that GF win. And 1996 wow whoopy doo.

And how were we meant to get Isaac Smith? Our first pick was 22, and that was committed to Wallis.

I don't think Isaac smith is a youngster, could have drafted him the year before. If not, please just take it as the principle involved 'lost opportunity'.

James Cumming you were throwing around punches like a young amateur boxer. IMO none landed.

If you don't think that those problems I outlined are serious, then what are?

I disagree. He has overseen the development of players like Cross and Gilbee into key components of the side, has helped guys like Picken, Harbrow and Morris get games coming from the rookie list, and has been one of the key reasons behind guys like lake becoming the best in their position in the league.

The real question is - could the black drover's dog or Mr Average have done the same? Don't give him a pat on the back for doing something he reasonably should have done.

Rant over.
I'm thankful.

Do you just like posts that you agree with?

Generally, thankyou Soupaman for you comments.

Bulldogs' fans runs on the board for Eade.
What would you rather have:
1. Coach E with 65% winning record, say 300 wins from 480 matches with no premierships or;
2. Coach B with 33% winning record with 2 premierships.
Which of the above has the 'runs on the board'?

[AndrewP6]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Do you just like posts that you agree with?

Not necessarily, but that particular one just ripped through a heap of people, and I didn't agree with much of it. Didn't want to go through every point.

[soupman]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

I don't think Isaac smith is a youngster, could have drafted him the year before. If not, please just take it as the principle involved 'lost opportunity'.

I wouldn't really count that as Isaac Smith was playing country football until the second half of last year and is the ultimate come from nowhere draft pick.

The real question is - could the black drover's dog or Mr Average have done the same? Don't give him a pat on the back for doing something he reasonably should have done.

We'll never know. You could argue that theoretically someone else could have gotten the same results, but you can't deny that underneath Rodney Eade they have all developed into very good players. Would a different coach have gotten better results is perhaps a more relevant question.

[Before I Die]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

When Eade was first employed as coach there was a need for some sort of stability at the club with a proven coach .............

............ Sack him now I reckon. Make 'The Coon Dog' the coach. Rant over.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I accept that there may be some valid arguments against extending Eade's tenure, but I can't fimd any of them contained within your post.

[Twodogs]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Sorry, make that GF win. And 1996 wow whoopy doo.

So you're changing the rules to suit your argument now? Either he did coach a team to a GF or he didnt.


Like someone else said you're throwing punches and none of them have landed. Eade took a forward line that everyone said couldnt perform without a marking forward and had it in the top two for scoring three years in a row. He's taken players who were struggling to get games under the previous coach and turned them into AA players.

If you dont like the man fine and good. That's your prerogative. But dont try and back it up with BS statements or backpeddle when you are proven to be wrong. That's just an insult to the intelligence of most posters on this board.

I am very much looking forward to revisiting this thread at year's end.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Me too. I'm really surprised at the amoung of Dogs and non-Dogs supporters who nay say Rocket. Wait and see - quietly confident here.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

If we don't make the 8, and I doubt that that will happen, I think it will be time over for Rocket. If we don't make top 4 there maybe a few questions asked. If we Make Prelim I think he'll be safe. If we make GF and win Rocket will be Formally Declared a GOD.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Originally Posted by James Cuming
When Eade was first employed as coach there was a need for some sort of stability at the club with a proven coach .............

............ Sack him now I reckon. Make 'The Coon Dog' the coach. Rant over.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I accept that there may be some valid arguments against extending Eade's tenure, but I can't fimd any of them contained within your post.

Did you intentionally leave out my statement that I did not agree with Eade's initial appointment so that you could mislead people into believing that the first statement was in conflict with the last, or did you just make a mistake in judgement?

I agree with you that there are other valid arguments against extending Eade's tenure (such as his inability to retire Mr "I am bigger than the Club" Brad Johnson at the end of 2009).

If you don't believe that hanging onto dud players for extended periods of time, selecting out-of-form players missing opportunities to recruit better players, not having unique game tactics and not getting more games into young promising players are valid reasons then what are your valid reasons? Why don't you share your valid arguments with us!

Well Mr Before I Die, I want to win a premiership before I die too. We don't have time for inadequacy and pussy-footing around with the almost good-enoughs. Always strive for excellence, do the very very best that you can at all times and give the club 100%.

Originally Posted by James Cuming
Sorry, make that GF win. And 1996 wow whoopy doo.

So you're changing the rules to suit your argument now? Either he did coach a team to a GF or he didnt.

Like someone else said you're throwing punches and none of them have landed. Eade took a forward line that everyone said couldnt perform without a marking forward and had it in the top two for scoring three years in a row. He's taken players who were struggling to get games under the previous coach and turned them into AA players.

If you dont like the man fine and good. That's your prerogative. But dont try and back it up with BS statements or backpeddle when you are proven to be wrong. That's just an insult to the intelligence of most posters on this board.

I am very much looking forward to revisiting this thread at year's end.

I do like Eade, he is a very pleasant and accommodating man, but not as coach. Yes, I made a mistake trying to quote somebody else's stats. This is after I have been so derisive against using stats in the past to prove a point, especially in relation to Daniel Cross.

Yes, of course and the Sydney officials were so impressed with Eade that when he resigned they scarcely begged him to stay. Then Sydney shortly after that went on to win a GF with his replacement.

Some fans on this board are crediting Brian Lake's great play to Eade, where-as the opposite seems to be true. Lake seems to be a coach's nightmare, he beats the opposition by outmarking them, often with contested marks, and he advises that he does his own thing in the backline with no instructions from Eade. Eade tried to make Harbrow into a forward and centreman but failed.

You want to visit this thread at year's end, why not first start at the end of 2008 then go to the end of 2009 then 2010. Three strikes and he is still not out. I hope we win a GF at the end of this year, but it will be in spite of Eade, not because of him. This is why we needed Boyd as captain, a hard nut who is more likely to make the right decisions.

[Maddog37]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

You are like a dog with a bone James.

You, like johno, need to be told enough is enough, move on.

[Before I Die]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Did you intentionally leave out my statement that I did not agree with Eade's initial appointment so that you could mislead people into believing that the first statement was in conflict with the last, or did you just make a mistake in judgement?

No sinister intent at all, I was simply trying to indicate that I was replying to the entire post without including the entire post as a quote. Hence I included the first and last lines with a series of dots between to indicate there was missing text.

I accept that you don't have a lot of faith in Eade and you certainly have the right to your own opinion. What I don't agree with are the interpretations of past performances and recruiting decisions etc that you use to support your opinion. I also don't agree with your presumption that the winning of a Grand Final is the only measure of the success of a coach. I believe that generally a premiership success is evidence of a good coach with a good team and a good amount of good luck.

I want a premiership Before I Die, but I am loving our current success, yes I call three prelims in a row success, and I see no reason to change our coach.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Nothing since 2007 indicates Everitt is an AFL player.
Nothing EVER indicates Stack is an AFL player.
Hill has not changed his attack on the ball in 4 years...he is who he is.

These guys have not been getting a game because they have not deserved to get a game. Blame Rocket. Blame German. Blame Maple. Blame their parents (in Hill's case). Blame whoever you like...but perhaps they are just flawed and are never going to make it?

Just to back up your argument, what about players who have flourished under Eade who were treading water under Wallace and Rhode?

Pretty much the entire list apart from Everitt, Hill and Stack.

[boydogs]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Pretty much the entire list apart from Everitt, Hill and Stack.

That's ignoring a lot of delistings and traded players. Farren Ray springs to mind.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

That's ignoring a lot of delistings and traded players. Farren Ray springs to mind.

I would say delisted and traded players score points against you only if the trade fails from your side or a delisted player flourishes after leaving.

Just working from memory I can only recall Farren Ray as being a regular at a new club, and he went to get regular games, because of the depth in competition for spots that he could play. He would not have made a difference is he had stayed at the Dogs and the player we have is likely to make a much bigger impact (Liam Jones).

We also traded out McMahon and picked up Callan Ward.

Very happy with the list management under Eade.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade happy to wait on deal

Did you intentionally leave out my statement that I did not agree with Eade's initial appointment so that you could mislead people into believing that the first statement was in conflict with the last, or did you just make a mistake in judgement?

I agree with you that there are other valid arguments against extending Eade's tenure (such as his inability to retire Mr "I am bigger than the Club" Brad Johnson at the end of 2009).

If you don't believe that hanging onto dud players for extended periods of time, selecting out-of-form players missing opportunities to recruit better players, not having unique game tactics and not getting more games into young promising players are valid reasons then what are your valid reasons? Why don't you share your valid arguments with us!

Well Mr Before I Die, I want to win a premiership before I die too. We don't have time for inadequacy and pussy-footing around with the almost good-enoughs. Always strive for excellence, do the very very best that you can at all times and give the club 100%.



I do like Eade, he is a very pleasant and accommodating man, but not as coach. Yes, I made a mistake trying to quote somebody else's stats. This is after I have been so derisive against using stats in the past to prove a point, especially in relation to Daniel Cross.

Yes, of course and the Sydney officials were so impressed with Eade that when he resigned they scarcely begged him to stay. Then Sydney shortly after that went on to win a GF with his replacement.

Some fans on this board are crediting Brian Lake's great play to Eade, where-as the opposite seems to be true. Lake seems to be a coach's nightmare, he beats the opposition by outmarking them, often with contested marks, and he advises that he does his own thing in the backline with no instructions from Eade. Eade tried to make Harbrow into a forward and centreman but failed.

You want to visit this thread at year's end, why not first start at the end of 2008 then go to the end of 2009 then 2010. Three strikes and he is still not out. I hope we win a GF at the end of this year, but it will be in spite of Eade, not because of him. This is why we needed Boyd as captain, a hard nut who is more likely to make the right decisions.

Sorry to get personal, but you're either trolling, or dumb as a post.

Mate, your reason and logic is hard to comprehend. Your passion against Rocket is fine, a club needs both sides of any debate, but you seem to be willing to put your personal prejudice above your better judgment. You leave no avenue for Rocket to redeem your faith in him. If we miss out again in 2011, you'll no doubt be on here raving about how much of a genius you (think you) are, on the other hand if we take that ultimate prize, you'll still be on here raving about how he's just lucky and the players won it despite him.

There is NO WAY a playing group wins a premiership DESPITE the coach. That one quote makes me think you've not really thought it out, or, again, that you might be trolling. If a player doesn't do what the coach wants, he's out. When the coach loses the whole group, the coach is out. Either way, the team isn't winning a flag any time soon. Sacking a coach has rarely produced immediate success.

I agree that Rocket needs to find another string to his bow, and the team needs to innovate again. I agree that the team selections last year were bewildering. I've called for Rocket's head in the past, in anger and disappointment, but then I calmed down and reason and logic took hold. But I fail to see who else in the football world could have taken this list where they've been. Who else has been available in that time? I think Rocket has done great things for the club. Paul Roos won Sydney a flag in 2005, but he did it with the list Rocket put together.

When you get impatient and sack the coach out of anger rather than reason, you turn out like Richmond, or St Kilda. Two opposite ends of the success spectrum in recent years RE grand finals, but both similar in that the club culture at both clubs is lacking. Ross Lyon is driving a bus he didn't fill, and as a result seems to have little to no control over the antics at the back of the bus.

What Rocket, Johnson, Smorgon and Cam Rose have given us, whilst not a flag, is a professional culture at a club that has forever been the working class club. A culture of respect, professionalism, responsibility and class. That will deliver more long term success than the lucky flag Hawthorn won in 2008, have no fear.

When we win it, when, not if, I hope the first bloke to hold that beautiful cup up is not Boyd, but David Smorgon. Rocket would be next.

Here endeth my rant.