Nab Cup vs. North Melbourne/Geelong Review

[jazzadogs]

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Do you have to name the sub or can it be any off the bench?
Shame a player who is good enough to get picked but doesnt get a run in VFL or AFL or can he play VFL if he doesnt come on,of course this is if timeline is available.
Wouldnt want to be sub player 2 games in a row, then you havent played for 3 weeks!

Sub doesn't have to be for an injury. I would think it would be a significant mistake if a team elected to not use the sub at some point.

I can't imagine them just using the same sub every week, especially with a younger player. An older player could probably do it, in an attempt to manage their minutes.

Oh and they do have to elect the sub. 21 players plus an elected sub who wears the bib.

[Mofra]

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But Wood is much better defensively.

Bingo - watching him do well against Stevie J last year convinced he is (defensively) more versatile than Harbrow, and he does play tall for his height.

Harbrow did spray them alot last year but he was quiet a reliable kick the year before. I doubt Wood will ever manage to mimic Harbrow's evasiveness/sidestep, but Wood is also more likely to break tackles - he's much more of a "straight ahead" style player.

[Desipura]

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I finally got to watch the replay last night. I must have been watching a different game as I thought Djerkurra was always in the play provided some link up play, laid some tackles, sure he got caught holding the ball once but overall I was happy with his performance.

Lets be honest, he is not going to be a Griffen or Cooney, but he will add midfield depth and much needed pace, he laid a few tackles on the weekend but they did not stick.

Vespa is not a goalsneak more of a lead up player but knows where the ball is going to go, is a good reader of the play. Pretty much a replacement for Johhno.

Wallis was busy in the first game, did not get much of it, but when he did was not overrawed even though it was only a NAB cup game.

Libba did alot of the inside work, did not get many uncontested possessions, so most of his posessions were hardly noticeable. Another not to be overrawed.

Addison was very clean with his marking and general disposal (especially on one occasion after a kickout where he took a mark against taller opponents (with the help of his teammates). The slower pace of the game would have assisted in his decision making.

Grant was very good, should have kicked 2 more goals.

Higgins looks alot fitter than this time last year. At the start of last season I thought he was a little too heavy (perhaps went too hard on the weights)

Jones was often against 2-3 oppoenents, Roughy needs to step up and be a presence in the forward line as Huddo and Minno are not capable of becoming that extra goalkicking forward.

Panos looks like becoming a future Stephen Tiller by not really having a position to play. I would have thought without Hall at full forward, Panos should have been played out of the square. The guy is a very good kick for goal, a natural forward in that he is a lead and mark type, lets not try and make him something he never will be.

Wood's pace is electrifying, I like his "take them on approach", needs to keep working on his kicking or more to the point slowing down before he kicks.

Markovic did well in the first game, the tempo picked up in the 2nd game and he was found out on a few occassions against Hawkins, I saw him directing traffic down there which was good to see.

I thought the 2 teams we selected on the weekend exposed a few things which we already know.

If Lake is injured for any length of time, we do not have the depth to cover him.

We do not have a goalsneak that played on the weekend, I hope Dalhaus gets an opportunity this weekend. We really a deficient in this area.

[Mantis]

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Panos looks like becoming a future Stephen Tiller by not really having a position to play. I would have thought without Hall at full forward, Panos should have been played out of the square. The guy is a very good kick for goal, a natural forward in that he is a lead and mark type, lets not try and make him something he never will be.

The concern on him being pigeon holed as a FF is that he lacks acceleration meaning he would struggle to get that all important seperation from AFL quality FB's. It's thought that an increase in mobility will help play more up the field as his ball skills are actually quite good.

One would think that if he is as good a FF as described he wouldn't have lasted until the 3rd of the rookie draft.

[Desipura]

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The concern on him being pigeon holed as a FF is that he lacks acceleration meaning he would struggle to get that all important seperation from AFL quality FB's. It's thought that an increase in mobility will help play more up the field as his ball skills are actually quite good.

One would think that if he is as good a FF as described he wouldn't have lasted until the 3rd of the rookie draft.

Im all for improving his mobility, I just do not think he will be anything but a forward. I saw him at half back in a few passages of play, dont know whether he followed his opponent (hard to tell watching it on tv as opposed to being there).
Why cant we improve his mobility and play him full forward?
He has lost a hell of alot of weight, the guy knows he must deliver or he may not be around for too much longer.

[Dazza]

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I actually thought Panos wasn't too bad. Provided a link up forward between 60-70 out.

[Dazza]

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Does anyone think Moles/Addison could be used up forward? Either as a defensive forward or just playing the small forward role. Both are pretty handy around the goals.

[Desipura]

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Does anyone think Moles/Addison could be used up forward? Either as a defensive forward or just playing the small forward role. Both are pretty handy around the goals.

I think Moles could play a small forward role, Addison has played as a defensive forward, in the final against St Kilda he did it well.

[LostDoggy]

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For all the previous doom and gloom about Markovic I thought he was quite good for us in both games.

[Mantis]

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Im all for improving his mobility, I just do not think he will be anything but a forward. I saw him at half back in a few passages of play, dont know whether he followed his opponent (hard to tell watching it on tv as opposed to being there).
Why cant we improve his mobility and play him full forward?
He has lost a hell of alot of weight, the guy knows he must deliver or he may not be around for too much longer.

Improving his mobility won't help too much with his lack of pace (well it might) which is why it's seen best to develop him in other roles than just a FF.

[SlimPickens]

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For all the previous doom and gloom about Markovic I thought he was quite good for us in both games.

I agree Chops, considering our first 3 games are Ess, GC and Bris. I think Markovic could be an option if Lake is not 100% come round 1. Still think he is better suited to a slower forward such as Petrie or a Mitch Clarke.

[stefoid]

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So with the encouragement of Williams and Wood to run the ball out at every opportunity, and being relatively handball happy, I suppose the emphasis is play on at all costs, right? Make any kind of zone pretty much irrelevant simply by taking it on at such speed that it doesnt have a chance to form.


More pace and forward pressure, thats a no brainer.

any other tweaks from last year?

[Mantis]

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So with the encouragement of Williams and Wood to run the ball out at every opportunity, and being relatively handball happy, I suppose the emphasis is play on at all costs, right? Make any kind of zone pretty much irrelevant simply by taking it on at such speed that it doesnt have a chance to form.

It was, but a couple of times we played on without being aware of what was on further afield and the resultant kick went to heavily out-numbered contests.

It's all good & well to try and move the ball on, but we must do with some 'smarts'.

[the banker]

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Did Panos show a flash of Daniel Bradshaw on Sunday?

[GVGjr]

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For all the previous doom and gloom about Markovic I thought he was quite good for us in both games.

There is no question that he has ability and good size and strength but there is a lot of key forwards that he just couldn't play on because he doesn't have the right sort of pace.

I agree with you though that he looked OK on the weekend after I thought was a disappointing outing in the intra club game. Lets see how he goes against the Lions on the weekend.