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  • mjp
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7364

    Enough.

    Rant warning.

    Are we supporters or aren't we?

    We have played ONE game - ONE - and I have read in multiple posts that basically everyone in our leadership group needs to be banished to Williamstown never to be seen again, that the players are simply not up to it and that they never were. And the coaches are all either dumb or incompetent.

    Before we all get carried away, it is still MARCH. The players we were planning to see us through the season - and yes, I am talking about Hudson, Cross, Boyd and Gia - did not perform well against Essendon. But we are talking about a couple of regular top 5 finishers in the B&F, our best contested ball winning ruckman in my memory and the competition leader in goal assists in 2010. Can we all just settle down for a second and back our team in? Can we back the leaders of the group to turn it around?

    Further, the members of the MC are apparently all stupid and unable to:
    - Pick a side
    - Establish a game style
    - Implement that game style.

    Well, that might be so but we have finished in the top 4 for the last few years so they might not be all that bad. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt for just a minute or two and see what they come up with.

    I am all for debating the team and the players and the selection policy and whatever, but continually bagging our leaders, calling for Boyd (one game as captain - ONE) to be dropped, for Cross to be dropped, for Gia to be dropped whilst at the same time asking for Skinner/Schofield/Wallis/Dalhous etc to be promoted....give me a break. It simply is not going to happen. Firstly, only dreamers pick kids. Secondly, even dreamers would want them to play a couple of senior games of VFL footy first. Thirdly, it is only MARCH and we have played one game. Calling for the captain to be dropped after one week is just agitating without purpose.

    I know there is no disappointment without expectation - and that is why we are all disappointed...but a heap of us picked Essendon to inflict our first loss of the year in the time capsule thread...so why all the hand-wringing now???
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.
  • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 8962

    #2
    Re: Enough.

    Amen to that.

    The point of differene between this place and others, was that here collectively, stimulating debate here was the norm, even when we were performing bad.

    I really would find it disheartening were this to be replaced by keyboard hero bagging of players, cheap shots, inane and constant venting and hyperbole.
    Leave that to be the exclusive domain of other forums.

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    • Scraggers
      Premiership Moderator
      • Jun 2008
      • 3565

      #3
      Re: Enough.

      Originally posted by mjp
      Rant warning.

      Are we supporters or aren't we?

      We have played ONE game - ONE - and I have read in multiple posts that basically everyone in our leadership group needs to be banished to Williamstown never to be seen again, that the players are simply not up to it and that they never were. And the coaches are all either dumb or incompetent.

      Before we all get carried away, it is still MARCH. The players we were planning to see us through the season - and yes, I am talking about Hudson, Cross, Boyd and Gia - did not perform well against Essendon. But we are talking about a couple of regular top 5 finishers in the B&F, our best contested ball winning ruckman in my memory and the competition leader in goal assists in 2010. Can we all just settle down for a second and back our team in? Can we back the leaders of the group to turn it around?

      Further, the members of the MC are apparently all stupid and unable to:
      - Pick a side
      - Establish a game style
      - Implement that game style.

      Well, that might be so but we have finished in the top 4 for the last few years so they might not be all that bad. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt for just a minute or two and see what they come up with.

      I am all for debating the team and the players and the selection policy and whatever, but continually bagging our leaders, calling for Boyd (one game as captain - ONE) to be dropped, for Cross to be dropped, for Gia to be dropped whilst at the same time asking for Skinner/Schofield/Wallis/Dalhous etc to be promoted....give me a break. It simply is not going to happen. Firstly, only dreamers pick kids. Secondly, even dreamers would want them to play a couple of senior games of VFL footy first. Thirdly, it is only MARCH and we have played one game. Calling for the captain to be dropped after one week is just agitating without purpose.

      I know there is no disappointment without expectation - and that is why we are all disappointed...but a heap of us picked Essendon to inflict our first loss of the year in the time capsule thread...so why all the hand-wringing now???
      Thank God !!! Well said MJP !!!

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 44645

        #4
        Re: Enough.

        Well said MJP
        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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        • Mantis
          Hall of Fame
          • Apr 2007
          • 15448

          #5
          Re: Enough.

          Originally posted by mjp

          I know there is no disappointment without expectation - and that is why we are all disappointed...but a heap of us picked Essendon to inflict our first loss of the year in the time capsule thread...so why all the hand-wringing now???
          Even so I doubt many of those expected us to be totally outplayed in said game.

          An 'honourable' loss in which we showed some good signs would not have created such an outcry on this forum.

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          • Sockeye Salmon
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 6365

            #6
            Re: Enough.

            You're just accepting mediocrity

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            • Remi Moses
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 14785

              #7
              Re: Enough.

              Salient points as the hysteria on Round 1 is over the top.
              However as we are reminded that Football is a business and as stakeholders we are entitled to question the effort last week of the side. Members have been hearing about improvement in areas we were poor last season and to be honest last week was an utter embarrassment!
              Fingers crossed we will improve dramatically

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              • Remi Moses
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 14785

                #8
                Re: Enough.

                Originally posted by Mantis
                Even so I doubt many of those expected us to be totally outplayed in said game.

                An 'honourable' loss in which we showed some good signs would not have created such an outcry on this forum.
                How could anyone not be critical of last weeks lamentable effort?

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                • anfo27
                  WOOF Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 2002

                  #9
                  Re: Enough.

                  I'm not upset over 1 game mjp. I'm upset over our finish to the year last season and us just putting it down to rubbish excuses like injuries or illness, like who doesn't have injuries at that time of year. Then all the talk about injecting speed & finally embracing tackling over the pre season and come out and show they we have learnt nothing from our mistakes. We should have been smashed by 100 points to a side that finished bottom 4 that is playing Collingwoods swarm style football.
                  I don't think we are over reacting.

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #10
                    Re: Enough.

                    While I do believe some comments to be a bit harsh, everyone has a right to voice their opinion, if you don't agree with whats said, ignore it. I,m sure that the criticism expressed came from the build up to this season, last year hampered by injury we still made the finals, in the off season the board, the management, the Club were strong in the belief that we can push for a flag. Enter 2011, players still recovering from surgery/ injuries but the positivity is still there, some new recruits, some good draft picks. We eased our way into the trial games, the NAB Cup, no real dramas , no real problems, the positivity is still there. Round 1 , new Captain, one or two new faces, thrashed by 55 points. For a diehard supporter to watch it all unfold the way it did , it's quite natural to express a high level of frustration, as this Forum is one way to express that frustration, it was only to be expected that we would see a wide range of opinions , as I said before, if you don't like it , ignore it. Now for Round 2, improvement ?, there damn well better be !

                    .

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #11
                      Re: Enough.

                      One thing that I've noticed about the Bombers over the last couple of seasons, is that if you are not physically ready to run hard then your in trouble. I'm not saying they are fast its just for some reason I feel if your not on your toes they can trouble slower midfields. Im relaxed I just think we gambled with our fitness and Im not really expecting much until after the Bye.

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                      • Throughandthrough
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 3201

                        #12
                        Re: Enough.

                        Reading the OP i am glad I ignored this site all week.
                        PS did we lose in round 1 last season?

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                        • choconmientay
                          WOOF Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1312

                          #13
                          Re: Enough.

                          I wholeheartedly agree with what mjp said. I was so disappointed last week but had to remind myself to just keep it quite and just sucked it up. It was hard to bear all the laughter at work though.
                          It always seems impossible until it's done. Nelson Mandela

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                          • Remi Moses
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 14785

                            #14
                            Re: Enough.

                            Originally posted by Throughandthrough
                            Reading the OP i am glad I ignored this site all week.
                            PS did we lose in round 1 last season?
                            In fairness it was the way we lost that has annoyed everyone
                            I'd hazard to guess that Collingwood are a slightly better outfit than Essendon.
                            Personally I give credit where it's due,but I'll also bake the players when they give us that pile of poo of last week!

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                            • Mofra
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 14953

                              #15
                              Re: Enough.

                              Originally posted by Throughandthrough
                              Reading the OP i am glad I ignored this site all week.
                              PS did we lose in round 1 last season?
                              Yes we did, as did Geelong in 2007 after a bunch of prelim finishes


                              Very well said mjp. Summed up the situation perfectly.
                              Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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