Use of the sub

[Sedat]

We have stunk at it so far this season compared to other clubs. We've used Sherman, DJ, Stack, Wallis, Moles and Skinner so far, and all of them have had a negligable impact on their sub games. Apart from Wallis, the others are not suited to the role with their skill set - Sherman, Stack and DJ are dicey with their decision-makng and disposal, Skinner is an unproven rookie and Moles doesn't get enough if it in 120 minutes let alone 30. By contrast, other teams are being very tactical with their use of the sub (for example WC using Gaff as a pseudo designated sub effectively, and Hawthorn holding their sub back for as long as possible), whereas with us it feels as though we are selecting random players to perform the role. Thoughts?

[GVGjr]

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When the quick in kick rule was introduced a few years back Eade capitalized on it quicker than any other coach and it resulted in a lot of coast to coast goals for us.
With the new sub rule, in all the media discussions I have heard him in I've never thought he embraced it and tried to work out how he could best exploit it for us.

[Hotdog60]

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I think we need a sub who can pinch hit in a short period of time, I suppose someone who has a limited tank but will get involved from the start. Who that is is anyones guess, could Lake be a sub for a few weeks. Give him another week in the 2's and then a couple as sub.

Which ever way it's a complex thing to make work and if we get an early injury that player would need to be versatile. It makes you wonder if this role could have suited an older player, someone with experience, knows whats required but can no longer run out a whole game.

The part time footballer.

[AndrewP6]

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When the quick in kick rule was introduced a few years back Eade capitalized on it quicker than any other coach and it resulted in a lot of coast to coast goals for us.
With the new sub rule, in all the media discussions I have heard him in I've never thought he embraced it and tried to work out how he could best exploit it for us.

And yet he said in one that it could work to our advantage...haven't seen that yet!

[FrediKanoute]

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I think we need a sub who can pinch hit in a short period of time, I suppose someone who has a limited tank but will get involved from the start. Who that is is anyones guess, could Lake be a sub for a few weeks. Give him another week in the 2's and then a couple as sub.

Which ever way it's a complex thing to make work and if we get an early injury that player would need to be versatile. It makes you wonder if this role could have suited an older player, someone with experience, knows whats required but can no longer run out a whole game.

The part time footballer.

I think a sub would suit a gun player in the twilight of their careers. Capable of pinch hitting and influencing a game....maybe even turning the game if its tight. Can't maintain it for a whole game, but good enough to do it for a quarter or so......sadly I don't think we have anyone on our list that fits this bill. It would have been ideal last year for Johnno or Aka.

[LostDoggy]

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The Sub in reality has to be the most tactically flexible player on the list, fit enough for 4 quarters to replace a 1st quarter injury , the ability to play defense/midfield/forward , strong enough mentally to be thrown in the deep end at a moments notice . Hargrave once he's fit enough and has the required match fitness is the best Sub player we have . With the revised rules our defense no longer needs Hargrave to play the role he once did *. Gilbee and Wood also make a case for being a tactical Sub.

*( Our defense - ( currently unraveled due to injury ) - is based on 1 Full back, 2 Centre Half Back, 1 Lock Down/ Blocker , 1 Runner )

The Sub has to be a tactical replacement first, an injury replacement second.

Any Club using the Sub to blood young players in the first ten rounds is doing so on the basis of output first and for most, the last ten rounds I would not expect any Club to use the Sub as anything else but a tactical change using a senior player probably at half time

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[LostDoggy]

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Having a first gamer as a sub is just silly IMO. It's better to get them out early and ease the nerves a little.

[Drunken Bum]

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the sub makes me think of Bruce Duperouzel

[Scorlibo]

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I think the sub needs to be a player who is hungry to win, and eager to get involved and make their presence felt, yet also a player who has a football brain and can quickly adapt to the game. For these reasons I think that Darren Milburn has proven to be an excellent sub.

I would nominate Mitch Wallis first, an experienced junior footballer, with a good footy brain and strong team ethics and hunger for the win. He won't hold his place in the regular team when the rest of the best 22 comes back, so he could aim to be the perma-sub ala Milburn or Gaff.

[Bornadog]

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with us it feels as though we are selecting random players to perform the role. Thoughts?

I don't think its been random players, we seem to have deliberately used the sub to introduce new players into the team. (except Stack)

[Remi Moses]

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Gotta play a first gamer on the park! Why have them sit there and just waste nervous energy! Darren Milburn is an ideal sub player.

[lemmon]

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Agree on flexibility being probably the biggest key but Ive always wondered what it would be like bringing on a super quick, Alwyn Davey type for a quarter. The fresh legs might make him nigh on untouchable when considering the fatigue of everyone else around him.

[Hotdog60]

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Upon the reflection of the thread, could teams start to look at mature bodied players in the State leagues to become the perment sub. Recruit 2 of these type players purely for this role.

[stefoid]

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So Hagrave next week then? Experienced player, short of a gallop, could play forward or back.

[MrMahatma]

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Any suggestions on who we should use as a sub? 2 or 3 blokes to rotate through there?