Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

[Before I Die]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

Totally agree.

It isn't negativity I have an issue with, it's mindlessness. So often those accusing others of not being constructive when making negative comments are actually being mindlessly positive. Mindless negativity and positivity both annoy me.

You have been known to also be a little miffed by mindless (this adjective being a point of contention) calls for the status quo.

[Scraggers]

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Whilst it might be predictable the club also comes out and says bad losses are not acceptable.
The club President even raised the bar this year and I think a level of angst by our supporters after what was a shocking loss is to be expected.

I don't like negative nellies either but I also don't want to hear and read rah rah after that type of a loss.

I sat at the game and watched every minute; I was abused, yelled at, and even spat at after the game on the way to the train.

Living in WA, nothing hurts more than that sort of loss to a WA team ... Regardless, the amount of posters on here tonight calling for Eade's scalp or sacking of the whole leadership group is laughable.

Sacking Eade (or the leadership team) is not the answer.

[GVGjr]

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Sadly, our positivity or negativity, mindless or mindful, have no bearing on what the players present, hence our frustration.

This doesn't seem to be one of those 'glass half full vs empty' situations, where we can, for example, review the stats and be pleasantly surprised that we actually won contested possession, or console ourselves that if only we had our 'best' team we would have done better. Our club is at a crossroads. Maybe the magnitude of the loss may force us into the reality check that the 'respectable' losses against Freo and the Swans may have delayed.

[Jasper]

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Living in WA, nothing hurts more than that sort of loss to a WA team ... Regardless, the amount of posters on here tonight calling for Eade's scalp or sacking of the whole leadership group is laughable.

Sacking Eade (or the leadership team) is not the answer.

Mate lived in WA for 10yrs - Coasters are an ordinary group of supporters. But they are maringally better than Pies and Blues fans

Not having a crack but rather stating what is not the answer, do you have an answer...?

[Rocco Jones]

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Sacking Eade (or the leadership team) is not the answer.

Why not?

We look totally lost with the modern game. No idea how to press or handle it. Our forward defensive pressure is the worst in the league. As greystache mentioned, we look stuck in a 2008 time warp.

So many posts have been hammering Lake for not wanting to play/how he has handle his rehab (myself include) but what about Eade? Lake being 'wrong' doesn't automatically make Eade 'right' in how he has handled him. There must also be questions asked about how we have handled Cooney, Hall (playing him against GC and Freo) and Higgins. Shaggy also had complications during the preseason due to hitting the track early. I am not blaming Eade for everything, just that there's a fair bit of mishandling injuries smoke in the air around Whitten Oval.

[LostDoggy]

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I sat at the game and watched every minute; I was abused, yelled at, and even spat at after the game on the way to the train.

Living in WA, nothing hurts more than that sort of loss to a WA team ... Regardless, the amount of posters on here tonight calling for Eade's scalp or sacking of the whole leadership group is laughable.

Sacking Eade (or the leadership team) is not the answer.

Sorry but it falls on the coach to motivate the team, they didn't seem motivated today. I think we should look at alternate coaching options at the end of the year.

We can beat the hawks next week. But it will prove very little.

[GVGjr]

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I sat at the game and watched every minute; I was abused, yelled at, and even spat at after the game on the way to the train.

That says a lot about the West Coast supporters and no one should have to put up with that.

Living in WA, nothing hurts more than that sort of loss to a WA team ... Regardless, the amount of posters on here tonight calling for Eade's scalp or sacking of the whole leadership group is laughable.

I don't think this is laughable though. The club raised the bar, the coach has had a long time to shape the list and the result today is a very bitter pill for a club and a supporter group with understandably high public expectations.

Sacking Eade (or the leadership team) is not the answer.

Fully agree but do we just accept the loss as part of doing business or bite the bullet and have a realistic look at what direction the club should now set itself on for the balance of the season?
Rightly or wrongly we talked ourselves up and we have fallen well short so I understand why supporters are outraged by such a loss.
I'm not calling for the coaches head and certainly I'm not apportioning blame at the leadership group but what I want to see is an honest assessment by the club of where we are and what we believe we can get out of the balance of the season.
I then want us to meet that assessment. Failing that then something must give.

[mjp]

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I sat at the game and watched every minute; I was abused, yelled at, and even spat at after the game on the way to the train.

We did as well...no problem with the WCE supporters though.

Why would they care? They won by 100 + points?

[Jasper]

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Why not?

We look totally lost with the modern game. No idea how to press or handle it. Our forward defensive pressure is the worst in the league. As greystache mentioned, we look stuck in a 2008 time warp.

Nah mate, its not Eade, he is a great coach out of luck...

1 - If it wasn't for the umpires and injuries in 09 we would have won a GF (never mind the mental preparation that led us to freeze in the first final against an underdone Geelong, and not get a rest and not avoid a StK/Geelong prelim)
2 - Injuries killed us in 2010, not Eade's fault (never mind list management that has too many old players at our club, making us more likely to get injuries)
3 - The forward press is a fad that doesn't suit our cattle (never mind Eade actively participated in the recruitment and development of the whole list)

Nothing to do with Eade, why should be accountable, he's only had what seven or eight years to get it right. Its not his fault. He is a true legend with an unmatched win loss record, what do you expect a premiership or something???

[Rocco Jones]

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We did as well...no problem with the WCE supporters though.

Why would they care? They won by 100 + points?

I feel for Scraggers but I lived in WA for a couple of years and had the same experiences as you did today.

My issue with Eagles fans was the other extreme, utter ignorance. They never had a go at me for being a Bulldogs fans but it also seemed they had no idea of any team other than the other lot that wear purple!

[GVGjr]

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How does a top 4 side for 3 seasons get so convincingly beaten by last seasons wooden spooner? I mean we aren't talking a 10 goal loss here.
I know they have improved a lot but why have we gone so far backwards

[Rocco Jones]

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Nah mate, its not Eade, he is a great coach out of luck...

1 - If it wasn't for the umpires and injuries in 09 we would have won a GF (never mind the mental preparation that led us to freeze in the first final against an underdone Geelong, and not get a rest and not avoid a StK/Geelong prelim)
2 - Injuries killed us in 2010, not Eade's fault (never mind list management that has too many old players at our club, making us more likely to get injuries)
3 - The forward press is a fad that doesn't suit our cattle (never mind Eade actively participated in the recruitment and development of the whole list)

Nothing to do with Eade, why should be accountable, he's only had what seven or eight years to get it right. Its not his fault. He is a true legend with an unmatched win loss record, what do you expect a premiership or something???

Yep

4- How can you blame Eade and when you consider our small footy department budget? It's not Eade's fault that he doesn't have guys to correct him all the times he is blatantly wrong.

5- Injuries in 2011. Can't players just get their own fitness right and know when they are ready?

6- Don't they get it? When Eade screams, he wants them to improve their motivation, play with confidence and take risks. The players seem to not get what Eade wants when he is screaming! I think he needs to yell more to explain the intent of his screaming.

[Jasper]

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How does a top 4 side for 3 seasons get so convincingly beaten by last seasons wooden spooner? I mean we aren't talking a 10 goal loss here.
I know they have improved a lot but why have we gone so far backwards

Ask Rossy Lyon...

A good question though. The simple answer is age, our time has come and gone as our list aged. We simply don't have enought 23-27 year olds that are good players. Most of our players are over 28 and more likey to be injured, and to take longer to get over injuries. And when we get injuries to good players in their prime (like Cooney) it kills us as we don't have enough of them to cover.

I would also think either Eade has a plan to beat the press (Bomber and WC are the teams we have played that have put it in place, and have smashed us) and:

a - The players won't or can't implement it
b - His plan is not a good plan

Either way the responsibility is Eade's to address

[BulldogBelle]

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Very hard to watch us go down like that...a friend over in Perth texted me and made mention that one man (Kennedy) kicked more in his ten goal haul over our entire score. I've switched my phone off now. I don't want any more texts today.

[Jasper]

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6- Don't they get it? When Eade screams, he wants them to improve their motivation, play with confidence and take risks. The players seem to not get what Eade wants when he is screaming! I think he needs to yell more to explain the intent of his screaming.

Yeah this method is renowned for working with Brian Lake. How's he going?