Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

[always right]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

They really need to.

I was really surprised by the amount of abuse Higgins copped from our members yesterday.

Say what you like our members, but the ones who were there yesterday were there to see there team put up a fight, show some pride and to have a crack. To many Higgins wasn't having a crack, he was bludging and our members don't like bludgers.

Just curious.....how many of our blokes are aware of how they are preceived by the members....or do they live in a bubble? Look at Brett Stanton....no chance he wouldn't be aware of how he is viewed by his own supporters.

It also begs the question as to how he is seen by his team mates. He's been touted as a future capatain but if we can see him taking shortcuts on the field, his team mates must also see this. I always imagine what someone like Liam Picken thinks of the lack of effort from some on his team.

[Murphy'sLore]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

My fear is if we don't make changes at years end our leadership group will be allowed to continue to play the game on their terms until they drift off into retirement, then hand responsibility over to the next generation having taught them the leaders are bigger than the club.

Just wondering, as a relatively new recruit to the Bulldogs myself, if this is perhaps a cultural legacy of being an historically unsuccessful club, that individual heroes have been elevated above the club as a whole, simply as a product of not having team success to celebrate. So we worship our Chris Grants and Johnnos because we haven't had premiership cups to wave around. Does this set up a pattern where individual achievement on the field is more valued than team effort?

Not trying to be smart but genuinely interested if this is perhaps a part of our club's culture which is now holding us back.

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

What changes would you like to see at year end?

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a review of how we implement the Leading Teams program. I don't want to see it jettisoned but I have a feeling that having a "leadership group" actually undermines the whole peer review system and turns it it into a two tier system, those in the leadership group and those not. This however is a whole new thread, I apologise for the digression.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Just wondering, as a relatively new recruit to the Bulldogs myself, if this is perhaps a cultural legacy of being an historically unsuccessful club, that individual heroes have been elevated above the club as a whole, simply as a product of not having team success to celebrate. So we worship our Chris Grants and Johnnos because we haven't had premiership cups to wave around. Does this set up a pattern where individual achievement on the field is more valued than team effort?

Not trying to be smart but genuinely interested if this is perhaps a part of our club's culture which is now holding us back.

Hey, interesting post. Good points for discussion

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

[QUOTE=Mantis;218363]You set non-negiotables and if they don't do they pay the consequence whether it be removal from the leadership group or demotion to the 2's.



The 'rash' comment was more to do with sacking the coach mid-season which hopefully isn't something we will do.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Rocket needs to be given time to prove himself in a tough patch. He , in part with injuries and list issues. dug his hole, lets see if he can dig himself out.

[always right]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Just wondering, as a relatively new recruit to the Bulldogs myself, if this is perhaps a cultural legacy of being an historically unsuccessful club, that individual heroes have been elevated above the club as a whole, simply as a product of not having team success to celebrate. So we worship our Chris Grants and Johnnos because we haven't had premiership cups to wave around. Does this set up a pattern where individual achievement on the field is more valued than team effort?

Not trying to be smart but genuinely interested if this is perhaps a part of our club's culture which is now holding us back.

Would have been interesting if Gia had declared that there would be no celebration of his 200 games this week, no banner, no interviews about his milestone. With all the statements during the week about the need for us to band together as a club, no scapegoats, no individual blame.....a gesture like this from Gia could have been quite powerful. Just a thought.

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

What changes would you like to see at year end?

I've said it in other threads, I think we need a change of coach, that coach to be someone who's had premiership success and hasn't been involved with the Bulldogs before, and for the new coach to bring their own assistants.

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Just wondering, as a relatively new recruit to the Bulldogs myself, if this is perhaps a cultural legacy of being an historically unsuccessful club, that individual heroes have been elevated above the club as a whole, simply as a product of not having team success to celebrate. So we worship our Chris Grants and Johnnos because we haven't had premiership cups to wave around. Does this set up a pattern where individual achievement on the field is more valued than team effort?

Not trying to be smart but genuinely interested if this is perhaps a part of our club's culture which is now holding us back.

Yes, that's what I believe.

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

Which one:

Mick Malthouse
Paul Roos
Mark Williams
Leigh Matthews
Dennis Pagan

It doesn't have to be an established senior coach.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

It doesn't have to be an established senior coach.

your pick?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

It doesn't have to be an established senior coach.

So someone who has coached under those coaches listed then?

Mark Neeld?

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

You said a coach that had premiership success.

Where did I say senior coach?

[Bornadog]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

You said a coach that had premiership success.

I think he means premiership success as a player or coach/assistant coach.

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

So someone who has coached under those coaches listed then?

Mark Neeld?

Someone along those lines, Sanderson gets spoken highly of too. Obviously it would depend on who interviews best and has the best plan for the team.

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R10 Western Bulldogs vs Hawthorn

It's not that I think Eade is a poor coach but it must be extremely hard for him to rationally and clinically assess the list and players with whom he has a close bond. These guys achieved a lot for him. I've heard him describing Cross as the guy you'd love your daughter to bring home. Could he really run a cold hard eye over a bloke like this and say, he is not the future, we'll cut him.

I wonder if Eade has the stomach (different from guts) to make these calls on guys he's been in the trenches with for so many years. For that reason I think a change of coach while the transition happens may be a good thing.