Shaun Higgins

[chef]

Re: Shaun Higgins

Can you clarify what you meant? Cheers.

Maybe I worded it wrong.

My point was some players should have a higher expectation of performance placed on them and should be judged harder than others.

Fairly or unfairly I expect more from Higgins than I do from Reid.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Shaun Higgins

all those saying Higgins should not be traded...
Really depends what we can get for him doesn't it?
If we can get a decent foward, I wouldn't mind him being traded at all.

otherwise. shave his head in pennance, pack him off to a lebanese boxing gym or somesuch.

Sedat uses Swan as an example of a very average midfielder who improved with hard work.
So, sleeve tattoos may also be on the cards. ^_^

[LostDoggy]

Re: Shaun Higgins

I am slowly losing patience with Higgins & i am leaning towards the trade talk as well.

His decline in speed seems to have happened fairly quickly, or wasn't he overly quick to start with?

The game against Collingwood a few seasons back i thought was the start of a long promising Bulldogs career, but he seems to have gone slightly backwards since then.

[ReLoad]

Re: Shaun Higgins

His groin is clearly shot to bits, The guy has no pace at all. I would love to see his beep test results and the sustained repetetive sprint times from the pre season, because he sure as heck isnt showing it on the ground.

GPS data anyone?

[Scorlibo]

Re: Shaun Higgins

I think the point is all about expectation relative to talent. This isn't to do with draft ranking. It's the god-given talent we all see. You've mentioned rightly enough that we are harder on Higgins than, say, Picken. We see Liam getting every ounce out of limited ability whereas we know what 10 or 12 quality possessions from Shaun could provide. If only we could somehow graft Higgins' skills and gifts onto, say, Daniel cross, what a footballer we would have.

Well draft ranking is the best measure of pure talent that I know of. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I can't see why it should affect comparisons between players purely in terms of what they give to the side.

Maybe I worded it wrong.

My point was some players should have a higher expectation of performance placed on them and should be judged harder than others.

Fairly or unfairly I expect more from Higgins than I do from Reid.

We all do. But my point is, even if Higgins plays under his expectations and Reid plays over his expectations, Higgins may still outperform Reid, and this is what matters at the selection table.

[Mantis]

Re: Shaun Higgins

His groin is clearly shot to bits, The guy has no pace at all. I would love to see his beep test results and the sustained repetetive sprint times from the pre season, because he sure as heck isnt showing it on the ground.

GPS data anyone?

I cannot believe this to be true.

[Topdog]

Re: Shaun Higgins

We all do. But my point is, even if Higgins plays under his expectations and Reid plays over his expectations, Higgins may still outperform Reid, and this is what matters at the selection table.

It should form part of selection table. Adhering to team instructions and rewarding effort should also be a consideration.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Re: Shaun Higgins

Here are 12 players who were worse than Higgins today:

Hall
Reid
Liberatore
Hill
Gilbee
Jones
Wood
Lake
Howard
Williams
Sherman
Wallis

Every one of the above players should be dropped ahead of Higgins.

You had been going ok here but I would Wood, Howard, Williams and Wallis ahead of Higgins, I think we just expect so much more from him that we can be harsh at times, For me i saw a lot more endeavor to pick up a man from most of the attached players mentioned.

[Scorlibo]

Re: Shaun Higgins

It should form part of selection table.

But why? Surely if you are selecting an ideal team to attain a win, you are selecting purely on output.

Adhering to team instructions and rewarding effort should also be a consideration.

Yes but we can't comment on either. I would be very surprised if Higgins, a very driven individual was not putting in just as much as everyone else. 'Effort' is hard to gauge in any instance.

You had been going ok here but I would Wood, Howard, Williams and Wallis ahead of Higgins, I think we just expect so much more from him that we can be harsh at times, For me i saw a lot more endeavor to pick up a man from most of the attached players mentioned.

The players you mentioned would be around the mark, but I believe Wood continued to make some poor decisions, Howard played well considering it was his first game but made as many skill errors as he did lovely passes, and Williams had to upset team structure to have an impact (although when he did go forward he played well). Wallis did not do any damage with his disposal.

[ratsmac]

Re: Shaun Higgins

We expect a lot from Higgins because he is apparently a leader at the club.

[Mofra]

Re: Shaun Higgins

Maybe I worded it wrong.

My point was some players should have a higher expectation of performance placed on them and should be judged harder than others.

Fairly or unfairly I expect more from Higgins than I do from Reid.

Cheers.

Does expectation have a bearing on team selection though?

Should (for example) we let less talented guys get games ahead of more talented guys, even if their output is lower, simply because expectations are less?

This would be unfair on the guys who are designated to make the play (generally our more talented types) - they have a harder role and are more harshly judged.
I'd prefer the output/what a player brings to the side be the over-riding factor.

[Mofra]

Re: Shaun Higgins

You had been going ok here but I would Wood, Howard, Williams and Wallis ahead of Higgins, I think we just expect so much more from him that we can be harsh at times, For me i saw a lot more endeavor to pick up a man from most of the attached players mentioned.

Bolded = arguably. Wood made plenty of errors but showed enough to show he should be persisted with, Howard faded (but again, showed signs and I hope he keeps his spot).
Wallis tackles hard, but was led to the ball all day and in time should be able to read the game much better.

If we are looking at dropping players, 1 tackle in 2011 Barry and Gilbee should be spelled before Higgins.

[Mantis]

Re: Shaun Higgins

If we are looking at dropping players, 1 tackle in 2011 Barry and Gilbee should be spelled before Higgins.

as well as??

[LostDoggy]

Re: Shaun Higgins

I feel that Shaun is not really a dilemma at all. If he is out of form he should be dropped or moved into defence to take the pressure of his performance.

What is a DILEMMA is the constant selection of under performing players and the automatic selection of players coming off injury.

This whole thread would be redundant if we had a policy of performance based selection.

Whether your a fan of Higgins or not he has not performed at the level required all year and does not deserve automatic selection.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Shaun Higgins

as well as??

And then we'll change our names to the Western Seagulls?