Round #12 Match Committee

[Rocco Jones]

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Personally I believe Boyd goes against instructions, so then I can't fathom why we continually ply him with individual awards, and now the captaincy. I think the heart of the problem is that Eade is an attack focussed coach first, second, and third, and defence is something you focus on once everything else is working well. Players like Boyd know that as long as they're racking up offensive stats then their defensive shortcomings will be overlooked. It's created a culture in the team that defensive pressure is the responsibilities of the less established players, and guys like Boyd, Higgins, Cross, Gia,and Hall can pick and choose their level of application.

I agree with this.

Of course Eade rates defensive pressure but it seems like it isn't a core issue (apologies for the political parlance). It's either that or they just continually ignore instructions, whichever one does not bode well for Eade.

[LostDoggy]

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I want/wanted Morris but he seems a bit of an introvert.

Morris was in control of the team huddle before the game , giving the team a rev up and supporting Mulligan's call up , he has been a rock of support and the strong voice for the younger players the last 4 games , to the younger players he is like the older miner holding up the roof of the tunnel so they can get out first

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[Ghost Dog]

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You also need to win the ball in the traditional, modern and post modern game.

Dropping Boyd in pursuit of a 'better' midfield reeks of misplaced aspiration that is in reality utter desperation. Over the last couple of weeks, Eade has gone down the path of dropping a senior player or two and introducing a debutant. I think he has handled it very well. Our fans keep demanding we clear the decks and bring in the kids. It has to be gradual, one in, one out per week is actually quite rapid really. The worst thing to do with the development of youth is never playing them. The next worst thing is playing too many of them.

Boyd reminds me of a wasteful millionaire. At the end of the day he earns it himself and will still have more dough than a frugal pauper (our next best option!). Whatever your thoughts of Boyd, he goes when it's his turn, wins it for his team mates and gives us a physical presence in the engine room.

1. It's not about dropping or not dropping boyd. Its about getting a better or better performing midfield. Boyd or not, turnovers killed us yesterday and we have to solve that. On the track or at selection. No other choices.
2. We are desperate. One more loss and our season is pretty much over.
How many games would you allow Boyd to play where he turns the ball over like he did yesterday? 2, 4, 5? how many games where he lets his direct opponent run free? 2,4,5?
more? Because he is captain, he'll never be dropped or made a sub, whatever.
Sure, he can turn it around. But it may be too late for this season.

[Ghost Dog]

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I am not trying to actually attack Boyd or Eade but surely Eade cannot have a big issue with Boyd's style. He must be following his directions at least decently if he has the captaincy. Surely there is no way that you would hand the captaincy to someone who blatantly ignores a core instruction? I don't have an enormous issue with it, just putting it out there for those who seem to think Boyd is at the heart of our problems (which I definitely don't). Boyd's lack of attention towards his opponent is hardly a new phenomenon.

Once again, I think Boyd is too harshly rated. Seems like a lot of fans put him up against the truly elite midfielders and are disappointed whenever he falls short.

Sorry, but if he's your captain, he is the 'heart' of our club. If the coach won't make him direct the attention to his opponent or won't do it himself, what example are younger players supposed to follow?
I can't see him being dropped - just have to suck it in for a year. excuse my rant

For next week, a smaller foward line with Sherman, DJ,
Tom to go down back.
Grant, Hill out. Schofield, Howard to get another run

[Rocco Jones]

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Morris was in control of the team huddle before the game , giving the team a rev up and supporting Mulligan's call up , he has been a rock of support and the strong voice for the younger players the last 4 games , to the younger players he is like the older miner holding up the roof of the tunnel so they can get out first .

I agree. As I said, I wanted and still want him as our captain. I just noted him being an introvert as a reason for not getting the nod. Even if he is an introvert socially or whatever, he has a voice where it matters.

[GVGjr]

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I'd be looking at the following type of side against the Saints

Backs
Schofield - Morris - Wood
Murphy - Williams - Sherman

Centres
Cooney - Picken - Griffen
Minson - Ward - Boyd

Forwards
Higgins - Cross - Giansiracusa
Djerrkura - Lake - Veszpremi

Interchange
Libertore - Wallis - Mulligan - Howard

Outs - Hargrave (only if suspended) Grant, Jones and Hill.

- Djerrkura and Veszpremi to be very defensive minded and not allow the last line of defense to just chip it out wide and start the Saints running with the ball.
- Mulligan to provide relief in the ruck and to spend some time in the back line if they go tall.
I'm happy for him to be used forward even though he doesn't have a lot of experience there.
- Schofield to stay with Milne even if he is getting well beaten.
- Murphy, Sherman, Griffen and Cooney to provide as much outside running as they can.

It's a small line-up so we must out run them.

[Bornadog]

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I'd be looking at the following type of side against the Saints

Backs
Schofield - Morris - Wood
Murphy - Williams - Sherman

Centres
Cooney - Picken - Griffen
Minson - Ward - Boyd

Forwards
Higgins - Cross - Giansiracusa
Djerrkura - Lake - Veszpremi

Interchange
Libertore - Wallis - Mulligan - Howard

Outs - Hargrave (only if suspended) Grant, Jones and Hill.

- Djerrkura and Veszpremi to be very defensive minded and not allow the last line of defense to just chip it out wide and start the Saints running with the ball.
- Mulligan to provide relief in the ruck and to spend some time in the back line if they go tall.
I'm happy for him to be used forward even though he doesn't have a lot of experience there.
- Schofield to stay with Milne even if he is getting well beaten.
- Murphy, Sherman, Griffen and Cooney to provide as much outside running as they can.

It's a small line-up so we must out run them.

I like your team. What happens if Hargrave isnot suspended, does that mean schofield won't be in?. I think he will get a reprimand as the impact won't be deemed severe.

[Rocco Jones]

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I like it GVG. Would love to fit in Dahlhaus but perhaps the following week is a better time to give him his debut.

I was pro Williams getting a go as our 2nd ruck last week but if nothing else, he is OHS risk to himself in the ruck. I am literally worried about his physical wellbeing every time he is in a ruck contest. Definitely with you on Mulligan having a spell there.

[GVGjr]

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I like your team. What happens if Hargrave isnot suspended, does that mean schofield won't be in?. I think he will get a reprimand as the impact won't be deemed severe.

Yes, Hargrave would stay in the side at Schofields' expense.

[GVGjr]

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I was pro Williams getting a go as our 2nd ruck last week but if nothing else, he is OHS risk to himself in the ruck. I am literally worried about his physical wellbeing every time he is in a ruck contest. Definitely with you on Mulligan having a spell there.

I just can't fathom the logic in using Williams as a ruckman. Hopefully we won't plan on him being used as the 2nd again.

[Rocco Jones]

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I just can't fathom the logic in using Williams as a ruckman. Hopefully we won't plan on him being used as the 2nd again.

I gotta give it to Williams, for all his weaknesses he does put his body on the line for the cause. His physical commitment + his 'ruck IQ'= scary.

Barlow anyone?

[comrade]

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Barlow anyone?

Yep!

I think we need to make a decision on Lake. He's not a long term option at full forward, and playing him there is just denying Jones opportunities - he IS a long term prospect.

If Lake can't offer us anything as a key defender, I wouldn't play him at all. That opens up a spot for Barlow, who can also move back and forward where required and allows Williams to settle into a defined defensive role that we've invested in for the last 5 years. Why risk it now by throwing him into the ruck?

My team for next week..

B: Schofield Mulligan Morris
HB: Wood Williams Murphy
C: Ward Liberatore Griffen
HF: Sherman Barlow Cross
F: Gia Jones Djerkurra
R: Minson Cooney Boyd
I: Picken Wallis Howard
Sub: Higgins

If Sherman struggles, Vez should be given an opportunity. If Barlow struggles, Roughead and Cordy are possible inclusions.

For a team that is struggling so badly, we do have some depth albeit unproven. By depth, I mean we have options that won't be any worse than the incumbent.

[GVGjr]

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Barlow anyone?

It's a hard one to make a call on. We know roughly what we will get with Barlow but we also know it will be somewhat limited in the longer term. If we were playing better it would probably be a safer call. I'd wait and see how Mulligan goes.

[Rocco Jones]

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Yep!

I think we need to make a decision on Lake. He's not a long term option at full forward, and playing him there is just denying Jones opportunities - he IS a long term prospect.

If Lake can't offer us anything as a key defender, I wouldn't play him at all. That opens up a spot for Barlow, who can also move back and forward where required and allows Williams to settle into a defined defensive role that we've invested in for the last 5 years. Why risk it now by throwing him into the ruck?

I definitely agree with you that we need to do what's best long term for Jones but could that mean sending him back to Willy for confidence reasons? Whatever it is, I'm all for it.

What I am thinking in regards to Lake is what perhaps playing him forward will give him much needed confidence and then we can switch him back to his key defender role. I think dropping him would be hard on his confidence and he can fit into the same forward like as Jones with Hall missing. Jones + Lake + resting ruck isn't too top heavy, especially when you consider we have the freedom to rotate them using TOG/bench. Jones + Lake = 80% TOG up forward with 2nd ruck spending say 50% TOG forward. It should mean we can just have two of them up forward for the vast majority of game time.

[LostDoggy]

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If Jones, grant and hall aren't gonna play then I would bring back Roughead. At least he is a tall that can a mark in f50 and a half decent ruck.