Round #12 Match Committee

[Jasper]

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? Just let the opposition have it.
Easier to fix disposal than inability to get the ball then dispose it. We had 17 players with less than 10 kicks yesterday yet people want to drop a player that get over 20 even yesterday.

If its so easy to fix disposal, why haven't two of the most dedicated trainers in the league in Cross and Boyd fixed their disposal?

[Jasper]

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4 miserable disposals, Grant 2 - yeah you are right Jones wasn't our worse player.

I can see that Jones is our future but how long can you carry a player. He needs to get his hands on the ball and at the moment he will only do that at Willi.

Its interesting how we all see things differently, like you seem to like Stack's work and I can't tolerate him. Jones' four disposals, I think were contested marks against the odds, and he appeared to contest. I reckon Lake and Boyd hurt the team more than Jones yesterday, and I reckon Hill and Grant were both significantly worse than Jones. Stats I guess sometimes don't give you the whole story.

[LostDoggy]

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? Just let the opposition have it.

I know what you mean Chops but I find it astounding that we applaud Boyd and Cross for getting a zillion possessions but they regularly turn it over.

[Bornadog]

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Its interesting how we all see things differently, like you seem to like Stack's work and I can't tolerate him. Jones' four disposals, I think were contested marks against the odds, and he appeared to contest. I reckon Lake and Boyd hurt the team more than Jones yesterday, and I reckon Hill and Grant were both significantly worse than Jones. Stats I guess sometimes don't give you the whole story.

If your satisfied with 4 disposals for a player then so be it. My outs are in fact Jones Hill and Grant. Total disposals between them 10, one stat that is telling.

[LongWait]

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I'm not sure picking a Sydney reject tall utility to support Minson as a second ruckman is taking the safe option.

If anything, it will get howled down by your average Bulldog supporter.

Did Eade not say after the Essendon game that playing one ruckman was a mistake we won't make again. What did we do yesterday?

Surely either Hudson or Roughead needs to play with Minson? Roughead for mine - perservere with the younger players and get valuable game time into them. Roughead and Minson should be an ideal ruck combination but they need to play lots of consecutive games together this year in the seniors.

[Jasper]

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If your satisfied with 4 disposals for a player then so be it. My outs are in fact Jones Hill and Grant. Total disposals between them 10, one stat that is telling.

Mate don't get me wrong, I was only satisfied with about 5-6 players' performance - Jones wasn't one of them. I just don't think he was our worst, and I also think he is our best KPP contested marking option at present (the other options being Hall - injured, Williams - can't kick, Grant - doesn't appear to try).

And since you like stats so much try this one. Jones' 3 contested marks equalled the contested marks for the rest of the entire team. That is right 3 contested marks between the other 21 players. Why would you drop the bloke who is getting as many contested marks as the rest of the team???

[LongWait]

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If your satisfied with 4 disposals for a player then so be it. My outs are in fact Jones Hill and Grant. Total disposals between them 10, one stat that is telling.

The old guard won't kick it to Jones when often they should.

[comrade]

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Did Eade not say after the Essendon game that playing one ruckman was a mistake we won't make again. What did we do yesterday?

Surely either Hudson or Roughead needs to play with Minson? Roughead for mine - perservere with the younger players and get valuable game time into them. Roughead and Minson should be an ideal ruck combination but they need to play lots of consecutive games together this year in the seniors.

If we do decide to go with two ruckman, it needs to be Roughead.

[GVGjr]

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Did Eade not say after the Essendon game that playing one ruckman was a mistake we won't make again. What did we do yesterday?

In the context of what he was saying I think he meant it was a mistake of having one recognised ruckman going against 2.
Against StKilda they have McEvoy and a spare parts player so to me there is some merit if we look at a similar structure.

Why did we do it yesterday? I'm guessing we didn't think Vardy would offer that much support.

[Hotdog60]

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With Jones development would it be worthwhile to get a tutor in to help with his progress, he's a player that is more for the contested mark rather than a lead up player.(unless thats because delivery dedicates this).

I wonder if Wayne Carey could spare a couple of hours a week.

[Jasper]

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With Jones development would it be worthwhile to get a tutor in to help with his progress, he's a player that is more for the contested mark rather than a lead up player.(unless thats because delivery dedicates this).

I wonder if Wayne Carey could spare a couple of hours a week.

Given our efficiency for the last five rounds is the worst in the league you would think this would be a factor. Wayne may be fantastic, but surely C Grant might be able to help him out??

[Rocco Jones]

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With Jones development would it be worthwhile to get a tutor in to help with his progress, he's a player that is more for the contested mark rather than a lead up player.(unless thats because delivery dedicates this).

I wonder if Wayne Carey could spare a couple of hours a week.

Chris Grant was doing some work with the younger talls last year (and/or the year before). Is he still being utilised?

[Hotdog60]

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Given our efficiency for the last five rounds is the worst in the league you would think this would be a factor. Wayne may be fantastic, but surely C Grant might be able to help him out??

I did think of Chris but for some reason I thought Carey was more of a similar mold. Crash the pack type.

[Jasper]

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I did think of Chris but for some reason I thought Carey was more of a similar mold. Crash the pack type.

Maybe - Carey also ran backwards a lot to mark, both players were courageous and could take contested marks. I know who I'd like teaching Jones to kick set shots though.

[G-Mo77]

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Could Jones pinch hit in the ruck? I've seen him do it at Willy before maybe that's a way to get him involved when the ball doesn't come down there at all. Williams is not the answer and I don't think Hudson coming back gives us that much help either.

Statisticians want to bag him for not getting that many possessions and that's their way of potting him, so be it. I really thought he contested well and took a few good grabs when he got his chance unlike a lot of others who sulked for most of the game. Besides, take him out who do you replace him with? Hall's not ready is there anyone else? Williams? Like it or not Jones is our man in the forward half, invest game time in him and have patience.