C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

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Re: C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

Has the club put a time on announcing the new coach?
I hope its the day after our Freo game so he can get maximum time in preparing for next year with delistings and looking at draft and what type of players he wants.

[Mofra]

Re: C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

Has the club put a time on announcing the new coach?
I hope its the day after our Freo game so he can get maximum time in preparing for next year with delistings and looking at draft and what type of players he wants.

It raises another question - how much control will a new coach have over the list, and will they be playing second banana to Fantasia on these sorts of matters?

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Re: C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

It raises another question - how much control will a new coach have over the list, and will they be playing second banana to Fantasia on these sorts of matters?

That is going to be an interesting dynamic isn't it! It seems it was with the former coach as well. The club's org structure seems to have the coach responsible for the assistants but not any of the other Football Department personnel. Is that your take on it Mofra?

[Mofra]

Re: C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

That is going to be an interesting dynamic isn't it! It seems it was with the former coach as well. The club's org structure seems to have the coach responsible for the assistants but not any of the other Football Department personnel. Is that your take on it Mofra?

Two issues with me:
1. We on Woof, by and large representative of the more passionate supporters, have no real idea what Fantastia actually does. I find this a significant communication issue on behalf of Fantasia/the club.

2. I'm not sure Rocket would have been the architect behind signing DJ for 3 years, Hooper and Mulligan so it looks (externally) like Fantasia has the overriding say on list management matters (until we appoint a full timer). I'd love a coach to come in with the balls to say "In year 1 want veto rights on trade decisions because I want players to play like X, Y & Z".

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Re: C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

Two issues with me:
1. We on Woof, by and large representative of the more passionate supporters, have no real idea what Fantastia actually does. I find this a significant communication issue on behalf of Fantasia/the club.

2. I'm not sure Rocket would have been the architect behind signing DJ for 3 years, Hooper and Mulligan so it looks (externally) like Fantasia has the overriding say on list management matters (until we appoint a full timer). I'd love a coach to come in with the balls to say "In year 1 want veto rights on trade decisions because I want players to play like X, Y & Z".

I certainly agree with the Coach having the veto you propose. Given Fantasia's role in the selection process, perhaps recruiting and trade veto rights is something they should take up with the Board rather than the panel. Unless of course the coach already has that veto right.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

Has the club put a time on announcing the new coach?
I hope its the day after our Freo game so he can get maximum time in preparing for next year with delistings and looking at draft and what type of players he wants.

I agree with your senitment.

While of course I hope we don't rush things, I hope we are as quick as possible in selecting a new coach (like with Eade). If a delay means we secure our number 1 pick, sure but it looks like the leading candidates can be interviewed and secured now. It's good for a couple of reasons. As you mention it means they can get working asap and it also means we can get in before Crows and Melbourne (once again, of course it is not a reason to 'rush' it).

Mofra raises an interesting point about the coach/FM logistics. It seems like Eade either 1/ was at least partially at fault for DJ/Mulligan/Hooper or 2/ IMO did not have enough of a say in list management. Sure, the coach cannot do everything but I believe they need to be part of the list management process. You don't need to be the one in charge to have a big say. I agree with the year 1 veto.

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Mofra raises an interesting point about the coach/FM logistics. It seems like Eade either 1/ was at least partially at fault for DJ/Mulligan/Hooper or 2/ IMO did not have enough of a say in list management. Sure, the coach cannot do everything but I believe they need to be part of the list management process. You don't need to be the one in charge to have a big say. I agree with the year 1 veto.

What do you think about the coach always having the veto: not just for the first year. That would seem to me to be a sensible setup. I suppose informally such an arrangement probably exists in some clubs but if I was coach I'd want to know that someone else wasn't going to trade or draft away my game plan or player structure.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: C.Grant and T.Harley on Selection Panel

What do you think about the coach always having the veto: not just for the first year. That would seem to me to be a sensible setup. I suppose informally such an arrangement probably exists in some clubs but if I was coach I'd want to know that someone else wasn't goint to trade or draft away my game plan or player structure.

It's a hard one because the FM is the one who should be most qualified list management wise and also most informed on the decisions as it's a primary part of their job description.

When it comes down to it, the most fundamental aspect to a successful relationship between the roles is trust. I've heard a saying about two people always agreeing means you've hired one too many. Disagreeing is great sometimes but it's about how the respective parties deal with it. If you respect the person, you can logically debate, end up with a compromise or accept they may have more information or expertise in a specific area.

It seems that didn't really happen with Eade and Fantasia. I definitely believe Fantasia has a fair load of blame for that but I also think Rocket's stubborn nature didn't help.

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It's a hard one because the FM is the one who should be most qualified list management wise and also most informed on the decisions as it's a primary part of their job description.

When it comes down to it, the most fundamental aspect to a successful relationship between the roles is trust. I've heard a saying about two people always agreeing means you've hired one too many. Disagreeing is great sometimes but it's about how the respective parties deal with it. If you respect the person, you can logically debate, end up with a compromise or accept they may have more information or expertise in a specific area.

It seems that didn't really happen with Eade and Fantasia. I definitely believe Fantasia has a fair load of blame for that but I also think Rocket's stubborn nature didn't help.

I agree that the ideal is where the two people find a way to agree or find a way forward despite their disagreement.

I'm happy for the Footy Manager to have line management responsibility for list management - the Head Coach has enough on his plate - but the Coach having a veto will probably increase the likelihood that the Coach and Footy Manager find a way to either agree, or to work with their differences. The Footy Manager couldn't then crack the cooties and ignore the views of the Coach.