Callan Ward Compensation Explained

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  • chef
    Hall of Fame
    • Nov 2008
    • 14748

    #61
    Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

    Originally posted by Grantysghost
    How do you come to this conclusion. I completely disagree. At this stage Ward is a better player. Potentially Scully could be better but the facts are at the moment he is not. Ward to me will be a future Lenny Hayes.
    I can't honestly see him ever getting that good.
    The curse is dead.

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    • chef
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2008
      • 14748

      #62
      Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

      Originally posted by Grantysghost
      I agree in isolation as stated in an earlier post, however if compared to Scully, Ward has had 2 more years of development, doesn't have a chronic knee problem, and is earning a fortune as is Scully. To give Melbourne twice what we get doesn't make any sense.

      Its a bit sad that i feel we should finish as low as possible next year and get two picks in the top ten, but thats where we're at.
      So does Selwood while Juddys shoulders aren't in good shape I hear.
      The curse is dead.

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      • Maddog37
        WOOF Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 3132

        #63
        Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

        I actually think the judgement should be made on a case by case for each player with guidelines such as the tiers in place. They should be able to factor in salary, age, performance, whether the club has lost other players etc and then compensate accordingly. So rather than Scully is Tier one hence two first rounds and Ward is Tier to hence one first round, it could be Ward somewhere in between so one first round and a third or second round as well.

        It is not as if there is three hundred trades going on and the AFL ha no time to assess each case on it's merits. Lazy pricks.

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        • mjp
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 7479

          #64
          Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

          Ward himself was a second round pick wasn't he? Roughead was. Liam Jones certainly was. So were Jessie Wells and Dylan Addison.

          If we use the pick well, the extra 2nd round pick is pretty good - it is certainly not 'minimal'.

          I think the compensation is pretty fair - if Callan Ward had demanded a trade I doubt we would have received a first round pick for him.
          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #65
            Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

            Originally posted by Remi Moses
            Agree entirely , we're just so lily livid it's sad.This AFL assistance has got us by the short and Curly's to a point where our club has become spineless!
            Who gives a stuff about the AFL assistance. The club should be all over the media about this in order to get a better deal here. They should be jumping up and down to at least get a 2nd round pick added to compensation. Geelong were very vocal last year and got looked after and I can guarantee that if this happened to Collingwood, Eddie would be like a monster.

            We have been severely impacted by loss of both Harbrow and Ward to these to new clubs whilst Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon are simply giggling. Melbourne are having an internal chuckle too because they have 2 first round picks.

            Why should members of our club have to put up with the unfair treatment that we receive from the AFL. For heavens sake, we haven't won a flag for over 50 years and it really doesn't look like it will ever occur ..... especially if we lay down be trodden by the Demetriou and his hack mates at the AFL.

            Come on Simon Garlick ...... grow D@ck!!!

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #66
              Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

              Is Scully worth more than Ward AND Harbrow put together? Because Melbourne's compensation for Scully will be more than what we get for Ward AND Harbrow combined.

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              • chef
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 14748

                #67
                Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                Originally posted by Lantern
                Is Scully worth more than Ward AND Harbrow put together? Because Melbourne's compensation for Scully will be more than what we get for Ward AND Harbrow combined.
                Would you trade Ward and Harbrow for Scully?
                The curse is dead.

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #68
                  Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                  Originally posted by chef
                  Would you trade Ward and Harbrow for Scully?
                  Not a chance. The Ward + Harbrow combination would cover far more bases role wise and would be far more valuable to a team than Scully would be on his own, and I'm comparing all these players playing to their full potential. (On revealed performances to date, and leaving aside potential, Scully isn't even worth either Harbrow or Ward on their own. How many good games has Scully even played?)

                  It's like saying is Bartel + Enright > Gablett Jr? Shit yes.
                  Last edited by LostDoggy; 14-09-2011, 05:03 PM. Reason: I said Scully when I meant Harbrow

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 67705

                    #69
                    Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                    Originally posted by Lantern
                    Not a chance. The Ward + Scully combination would cover far more bases role wise and would be far more valuable to a team than Scully would be on his own, and I'm comparing all these players playing to their full potential. (On revealed performances to date, and leaving aside potential, Scully isn't even worth either Harbrow or Ward on their own. How many good games has Scully even played?)

                    It's like saying is Bartel + Enright > Gablett Jr? Shit yes.
                    38 disposals against us last year.

                    BTW, I agree with you.
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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #70
                      Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      38 disposals against us last year.
                      BTW, I agree with you.
                      Haha true -- we specialise in giving opposition players career best games.

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                      • Go_Dogs
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 10258

                        #71
                        Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                        Originally posted by Desipura
                        Not a big difference, Davis has only played a handful of games and he is classified in the same bracket.
                        F%$# this shits me! Lets throw some money at a future gun and stop being everyone's walking mat.
                        He's younger, a top 10 pick (?) and a key position player. If it hadn't been for injuries this year he would currently be sitting with 30+ games. He's pretty underrated outside of SA from what I can gather.
                        Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                        • Sedat
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 11605

                          #72
                          Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                          Originally posted by Bulldog4life
                          Couldn't agree more with you Sedat. Felt the same when I read it in the newspaper today.
                          Originally posted by Remi Moses
                          Agree entirely , we're just so lily livid it's sad.This AFL assistance has got us by the short and Curly's to a point where our club has become spineless!


                          The truly pathetic thing is that Geelong have gone harder in the media about these compensation decisions, that don't even involve their club, than we have. Our club leaders are completely and utterly intimidated/owned by the AFL. We dare not utter anything remotely controversial lest we incur the wrath of city hall.

                          In recent years, our club's leadership has been embarrassingly submissive on issues that affect our club. Even North Melbourne makes far more noise about issues that affect them than we do. Leadership does not and should not involve mindless approval and acceptance of the status quo on every single occasion. It shows a lack of conviction and leadership to fight tooth and nail in the media, puff the chest out and demand top tier compensation for the loss of Ward, blame "the system" ad nauseum, and then proceed to whimper in the corner when this demand has been tossed aside by the AFL. None of this is to even mention how easily we are manouvered by the other clubs during trade week negotiations, where we have either folded like a deck of cards or cut off our nose to spite our face.
                          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                          • mjp
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 7479

                            #73
                            Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                            Originally posted by Lantern

                            It's like saying is Bartel + Enright > Gablett Jr? Shit yes.
                            Well....

                            I am not so certain about that. I always think the team that ends up with the best player is the team that 'wins' a trade. If Melbourne offered us Scully for Ward and Harbrow, I think we definitely take the phone call and consider it...if we called Melbourne offering the same deal - they laugh and hang up the phone.
                            What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                            • MrMahatma
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 3982

                              #74
                              Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                              Originally posted by mjp
                              Well....

                              I am not so certain about that. I always think the team that ends up with the best player is the team that 'wins' a trade. If Melbourne offered us Scully for Ward and Harbrow, I think we definitely take the phone call and consider it...if we called Melbourne offering the same deal - they laugh and hang up the phone.
                              I agree. 1 very good player is better than 2 who are decent.

                              I personally think both the Doggies boys are a touch overrated. But then again, so is Scully.

                              I think we got a fair deal for Ward. I think Melb got a VERY good deal for Scully. I there's no way the AFL could compensate Geelong sufficiently and practically.

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                              • Desipura
                                WOOF Member
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 4344

                                #75
                                Re: Callan Ward Compensation Explained

                                Originally posted by mjp
                                Ward himself was a second round pick wasn't he? Roughead was. Liam Jones certainly was. So were Jessie Wells and Dylan Addison.

                                If we use the pick well, the extra 2nd round pick is pretty good - it is certainly not 'minimal'.

                                I think the compensation is pretty fair - if Callan Ward had demanded a trade I doubt we would have received a first round pick for him.
                                I disagree, at 21 yo and a weak draft coming up, I think a first round pick we would have received, and I know how highly you rated him as a junior.

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