Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

[LongWait]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

So anyone who list the reasons why they are concerned with the performance of James (for example the statement that some clubs were saying Josh Hill was a top 20 draft pick last year) should automatically have their motives questioned?

If so, how do we then discuss the on-field performance of players without crossing this line you are setting?
In my opinion this site is a discussion forum where people views on a subject can either be challenged or agreed with or even an alternative view offered up but in the end we shouldn't be questioning their integrity without very good reasons.

Who the hell questioned anyone's intergity?

I've questioned whether people's perceptions or judgements are influenced by secondary factors. We all bring various bias' to our opinions and judgements, or are you the only truly impartial, completely rational, non-judgemental person to have walked the earth in the past 2000 years?

[jeemak]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Finally managed to listen to the interview. I'm really not too sure why some posters expected more than what Fantasia offered.

- He answered the questions directly, although he was a bit heavy on the cliches.

- His answer on Lake was enthusiastic enough for mine.

- He spoke as honestly about Hill as he could, in that he all but said that a new coach might have an impact on his performance but the club was prepared to cut their losses and move on if it was in its best interests and a deal could be made. Can you imagine the outrage if he had have said the club had given up on Hill?

- He said that through the draft an inside mid would be sought, which makes sense considering Boyd and Cross are closing in on 30 and we're likely to move on Sam Reid (not many 18 year olds adapt to senior football like Liberatore did this year in that role, and Wallis still - like it or not - has question marks on him). So that's reasonable enough, considering Ward has left.

- He vehemently denied any shopping around of our best player. And pencilled in Greg Denham as an ignorant buffoon, although this won't surprise many of us considering his reporting on trade week over the years.


I just can't see what was expected of him beyond what he provided. I'll admit Fantasia has seemingly made some errors in his contract negotiations since crossing to us in 2008, but for me his performance will be judged on the results of his past decision making over the next two years.

Hopefully he forms a very good working relationship with McCartney, but leaves him to be the face of the club. While Fantasia is held to account quite regularly by many supporters, he suffers from not having a profile. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or a good thing.

[EasternWest]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Right - great kick...in the nads when your mate is prone on the ground at training

That worries me, a mate.
Who needs enemies with mates like that

Wait a sec, wait a sec.

I can't believe I'm about to white knight Setanta (who I don't mind, but don't particularly want) but what the footage doesn't show was Cloke punching O'Hailpin in the face when he wasn't looking.

Setanta, being the Irish lunatic he is was happy to settle it man to man but Cloke ran away. Pretty much the camera rolled on them when O'Hailpin caught up to him, and what we all saw was the end result.

It was ugly to watch, but hardly all Setanta's fault.

[The Pie Man]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Wait a sec, wait a sec.

I can't believe I'm about to white knight Setanta (who I don't mind, but don't particularly want) but what the footage doesn't show was Cloke punching O'Hailpin in the face when he wasn't looking.

Setanta, being the Irish lunatic he is was happy to settle it man to man but Cloke ran away. Pretty much the camera rolled on them when O'Hailpin caught up to him, and what we all saw was the end result.

It was ugly to watch, but hardly all Setanta's fault.

A good pointer to the way that episode was viewed at Carlton was who ended up at Port Adelaide the next year as well.

[jeemak]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

A good pointer to the way that episode was viewed at Carlton was who ended up at Port Adelaide the next year as well.

There was also some talk about locker room stuff involving things going missing, and the subject of the butt kick being dealt with accordingly. Scuttlebut perhaps, but potentially telling in the end result.

[chef]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

That worries me, a mate.
Who needs enemies with mates like that

Cloke didn't have many mates at Carlton(something to do with a missing Guernsey), especially not Satanta. This comes from a Carlton players mouth.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

I won't be touching Setanta or Bate with picks under 50. I want to know if McCartney wants them rather Fantasia too.

[Desipura]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Lynch of St Kilda looks like going to Adelaide for a 2nd round pick so it is understandable why Bate is classified in a similar category.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Lynch of St Kilda looks like going to Adelaide for a 2nd round pick so it is understandable why Bate is classified in a similar category.

I'm not so sure Lynch has 5 years(minus) on Bate.

[Desipura]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

I'm not so sure Lynch has 5 years(minus) on Bate.

So he has 5 years to prove he is worse than Bate? They are similar players in that they are medium sized forwards although Bate has him covered for pace.

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

So he has 5 years to prove he is worse than Bate? They are similar players in that they are medium sized forwards although Bate has him covered for pace.

Desi, if the call was yours, would you give up pick 39 for Matthew Bate?

[Desipura]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

Desi, if the call was yours, would you give up pick 39 for Matthew Bate?

No siree Bob!

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

No siree Bob!

Me either. I reckon over the past few years we have traded away a pick a year for an experienced player & it always seems to be somewhere between picks 25-40 or thereabouts.

If we can trade Josh Hill for pick 46, I wouldn't be averse to using pick 46 to get someone in, but again, I wouldn't use that for Matthew Bate.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

I don't think there are many on here who want Bate

I don't mind him as a footballer, but I just don't want to see us trade 2nd or 3rd round selections for fringe players. Draft the best kid and hope that in two years time a couple of them have turned into players

Back to Fantasia: I didn't see it as his role in this interview to sell a vision for the club. I view that role clearly as that of the new coach at this stage.

[Mofra]

Re: Fantasia on SEN 12.25pm today (13/10/11)

I don't mind him as a footballer, but I just don't want to see us trade 2nd or 3rd round selections for fringe players. Draft the best kid and hope that in two years time a couple of them have turned into players

We've been interested for months so I'm expecting him to be a Bulldog next year.
I basically see him as a Hahn type; perhaps slightly quicker and slightly taller but less bullocking.

Hahn was drafted at pick 37 - trying to take away any Bulldogs bias, that would be a starting point, discounted for the fact that he couldn't establish himself as a regular in the Melbourne side unlike Hahn as a Bulldog at a similar age so a later pick would be fairer value.

I'm expecting whatever pick we gain for Josh Hill to end up at Melbourne.