Justin Sherman

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Justin Sherman

Funny....I didn't see Dahlhaus, Tutt or DJ display any skills on their non-preferred side.

You may well be right but given Sherman's experience and supposed skills I guess you would probably expect more.

[stefoid]

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Some good points you have raised but I think that spot might be filled by Giansiracusa and maybe Veszpremi. I just feel as though they might use him on a wing or even a half back if they use Murphy forward.

We got him for his running capacity and I don't think we are playing to his strengths as a deep forward pocket. Probably high half forward might be his best spot.

I dont think anyone gets away with not running these days, forward pocket or otherwise. I just prefer that players who make better decisions play further up the ground so they can set up play - Guido for instance. Vezpremi I dont know anything about.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I thought his year was OK, but derailed after the Gold Coast game.

He's not a fan favourite to say the least, but personally I think he's important for us moving forward. He's got a lot more to offer. Agree the 'high half forward' is his best spot, as he's able to burn his oppoenents off by running back to goal.

[Happy Days]

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Some good points you have raised but I think that spot might be filled by Giansiracusa and maybe Veszpremi. I just feel as though they might use him on a wing or even a half back if they use Murphy forward.

We got him for his running capacity and I don't think we are playing to his strengths as a deep forward pocket. Probably high half forward might be his best spot.

I think Sherman can very much play this role with Gia in the team but not Vez; reason being is that Sherman is the antithesis of Gia - Gia is slower, Sherman is quick, Gia (before this season anyway) was much more the architect of forward 50 entries and setting up scores, Sherman is much more of a finisher, etc. I don't think that they touch the same bases.

Vez, however, is very similar to Sherman in the sense that he is a kick-first, hungry player that would play the position much thesame way and offer us nothing different.

All irrelevant to my view anyway; Sherman played his best footy for the Lions as a highly outside wingman, lets try playing him there?

[jeemak]

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^Agree that Sherman would be used better as an outside winger that floats forward, but it's pretty hard to play him in that role when your team is rebuilding and you have to keep the floggings to a minimum to appease the members/supporters.

If our side was very good at moving the ball forward from defense, which it currently isn't - due to the lack of effectiveness of Gilbee and Hargrave, the loss of Lake to injury and the complete loss of Harbrow - then our wingers and midfielders would be able to run free and benefit from the clean ball they'd be provided.

To me, if we're fairdinkum (best word ever) about having a rebuild for a challenge in two or three years then Sherman needs to be used in the wing and floating half forward role. Our defense needs to adapt to a new forward movement strategy, and the only way they can do this is through continuity of options up the ground. If our coaching staff view Sherman in two or three years as a wing and floating half forward then he needs to be played there immediately.

I thought he had an impact in a few games this year, he had a few multiple goal efforts and showed he can't be let off the leash up forward. His return for games played was better than expected for mine, especially considering he played a lot of football in a side that wasn't providing a lot of clean ball on the transition from defense.

Sherman seems to be a victim of the current mentality that states a forward is useless unless he gets a heap of tackles. The reality is, that forwards are best when kicking goals. If we move the ball forward from defense through a strong midfield that moves the ball quickly and cleanly then it will put our forwards in a position of advantage, and one in which if they don't win possession they'll have a good chance of trying to win it back.

[LostDoggy]

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Some good points you have raised but I think that spot might be filled by Giansiracusa and maybe Veszpremi. I just feel as though they might use him on a wing or even a half back if they use Murphy forward.

We got him for his running capacity and I don't think we are playing to his strengths as a deep forward pocket. Probably high half forward might be his best spot.

The guy needs space, is at his best when he's facing forward, can run well especially in straight lines, and can kick very, very long. He's a modern day attacking half-back if I ever saw one. He'll never be a playmaker type that Gilbee or Murph now is, but with his direct running and long kicking he can help break or clear the lines -- basically Griffen-lite. We've missed dynamism in our half-back line other than Murph this year, with Harbrow gone, so Sherman will be a handy addition. If you rotate Coons through there as well to protect his knees suddenly we have the most creative and powerful half-back line in the league.

Defensively, with zoning now he doesn't probably have to be as strong overhead as he would otherwise have needed to be: as long as he has some positional discipline and gets a chop out he should be competitive enough. Don't worry about him not getting among the goals -- he'll be an attacking half-back, not a defensive one, and will burn off his opponent often enough coming from deep.

I think he either plays beside Murph or is Murph's swing partner -- ie. one of them plays back while the other plays forward, and they swap throughout the game.

[LostDoggy]

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Is he smart enough to buy into the game plan where everyone works soley for the team? The discipline that requires you be thinking ahead at every turn as to your positioning in relation to assisting your team mates and the myriad of play situations that require an ever changing team response. If he can't do this then he won't be in our best 22 for long, no matter how much speed he has.

[stefoid]

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The guy needs space, is at his best when he's facing forward, can run well especially in straight lines, and can kick very, very long. He's a modern day attacking half-back if I ever saw one. He'll never be a playmaker type that Gilbee or Murph now is, but with his direct running and long kicking he can help break or clear the lines -- basically Griffen-lite. We've missed dynamism in our half-back line other than Murph this year, with Harbrow gone, so Sherman will be a handy addition. If you rotate Coons through there as well to protect his knees suddenly we have the most creative and powerful half-back line in the league..

Richmond had a few of these types in their defence a few years ago - King when he played back and some others - get the ball, run like a madman until someone gets close and then bang it long to... nobody in particular. rebound. opposition shot on goal.

no thanks!

Even forward pockets these days find themselves regularly in the opposition's half of the ground, and when we get the ball, thats when I want to see someone like Sherman blitzing back into empty space towards goal to provide options for the ball carrier. (and Grant and Dalhaus for that matter)

these guys are our versions of Walker, Betts and Gartlet who get a lot of their scoring opportunities running back towards goal. Nothing worse than the backline winning the ball in that situation and having to hold it up because there are no options.

[AndrewP6]

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Is he smart enough to buy into the game plan where everyone works soley for the team? The discipline that requires you be thinking ahead at every turn as to your positioning in relation to assisting your team mates and the myriad of play situations that require an ever changing team response. If he can't do this then he won't be in our best 22 for long, no matter how much speed he has.

That question could be asked of quite a few... we're a way off that style of footy, methinks.

[jeemak]

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Is he smart enough to buy into the game plan where everyone works soley for the team? The discipline that requires you be thinking ahead at every turn as to your positioning in relation to assisting your team mates and the myriad of play situations that require an ever changing team response. If he can't do this then he won't be in our best 22 for long, no matter how much speed he has.

If he's good for a couple of goals a game as a running finisher then he will be.

I'm yet to see evidence that McCartney is a task master beyond what Rocket was, and I'm yet to see evidence that he won't show certain players lenience in areas where they can improve while taking into consideration things they do very well.

I can't think of a player on our list that is the complete package. As long as Sherman demonstrates he is willing to listen to the coaching staff and work his arse off to improve on his defficiencies then he'll get a game. If he doesn't do this, then as we improve his one or two goals a game complemented by a three goal effort here and there might not be enough.

[Ghost Dog]

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Nice big Colour photo of Sherman with his 'different' tatt in the Herald Bum.
Almost choked on my Foccacia with laughter when I saw it.
At least with a sleeve tattoo, all the stupid bits meld into one mish mash of colour.
As for the necklace, Classy bit of 'bling' ait??
Which one is worse. To have your own name, ( lol ) in big gothic letters on your arm ( Hoops ) or to have a big fat Gangsta cross wrapped around your body?

[GVGjr]

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We're traditionally a bogan club.

The boys are just embracing the club's roots.

[Maddog37]

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Wonder what Granny thinks of it?

[Jasper]

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Nice big Colour photo of Sherman with his 'different' tatt in the Herald Bum.
Almost choked on my Foccacia with laughter when I saw it.
At least with a sleeve tattoo, all the stupid bits meld into one mish mash of colour.
As for the necklace, Classy bit of 'bling' ait??
Which one is worse. To have your own name, ( lol ) in big gothic letters on your arm ( Hoops ) or to have a big fat Gangsta cross wrapped around your body?

The best tattoo in world sports is Kenyon Martin of the NBA's Denver Nuggets.
He has a chinese symbol which he believed read "Warrior".
When he played against Chinese superstar Yao Ming, Ming whispered in his ear "I don't think that tattoo says what you think it says"

In fact, it's literal translation is "indecisive".
He also has big red lips on his neck.
Just a bizarre human being

[Ghost Dog]

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The best tattoo in world sports is Kenyon Martin of the NBA's Denver Nuggets.
He has a chinese symbol which he believed read "Warrior".
When he played against Chinese superstar Yao Ming, Ming whispered in his ear "I don't think that tattoo says what you think it says"

In fact, it's literal translation is "indecisive".
He also has big red lips on his neck.
Just a bizarre human being

Well as for Shermenator, If it makes him a better player, I'm all for it

Other alternatives for Mr Sherman included the warner brothers logo


Or ' The matrix' translated here into Chinese means 'Demon bird Mothball', or so I am told.