Pick 57- Tory Dickson

[the banker]

Re: Pick 57- Tory Dickson

yeah, OK, my google-fu is strong.

here is why we took him at 57:

http://ourfooty.com.au/forum/showthread.php?tid=611

"just a quick story, if anyone noticed at pick #57 when the dogs took Tory Dickson, the bombers were dumbfounded and had no idea what to do when it came to their pick at #59? if you saw hirdy's face .. he was shocked and pissed off.

this is because a some time ago, hird and thompson went to noble park jfc and spoke to tory dickson, and theyre like .. come play for the bendigo bombers, and we will monitor your progress, give you a rental home to live in, and pay you a wage.
and throughout the season he did pretty well, scored a ton of goals and impressed a lot of people.

but as you would expect, other teams were scouting .. and the dogs stole him from right under the bombers noses. "

Of course Macca would have had insight into this. Love it.

[LongWait]

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Of course Macca would have had insight into this. Love it.

It seems the Bombers weren't going to wait to rookie list him. Our coaching staff think Tory can play seniors early next year, so rookie listing him wouldn't be that sensible. We want him on the main list and eligible to play as soon as he's ready.

I agree that it is most satisfying to pull a fast one on the Bombers!

[jazzadogs]

Re: Pick 57- Tory Dickson

From a mate who watches a lot of VFL, and whose opinion i rate. Nothing new, but a few points.


'Dickson's quality but tad surprised he's gone in the ND. As I recall a stocky high h fwd/mid w a deceptive turn of pace, decent overhead and very cluey around goal. Looks a bit like Calthorpe from Ess. Hird was a fan apparently, and the Shannon Grant factor was also important I'm tipping. Cld be better value than M.Bate actually if things click. Was coached by Grant at Frankston and Bendigo so knows him well. Body suits McCartney's mould.'

[DOG GOD]

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He looks a little like Shannon Hurn in that front page pic, but i hope that he does what he needs to do to give himself his best shot to make it...the post by Stefoid about taking him out of the bombers grasp was GOLD

[Bornadog]

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If he is 24 and isnt fit there there must be something deeper at the core - injuries, slack, bad lifestyle or bad habits

Will be interesting to see what sort of hunger to succeed he has - and if he is hell bent on becoming an AFL footballer

Sometimes that hunger is even greater at 24 as he knows this may be his last chance to make it. Just have a look at guys like Boyd, Morris. Morris was around that age when we elevated him. Boyd was playing Frankston reserves. I have my doubts with this pick

I hope he has the attitude of a Boyd and Morris and grasps this one with both hands.

[jeemak]

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Are all of the fitness queries based on comments made by the President of Noble Park?

If so, then I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. He's 24 and talented, there was at least one other club that was interested in drafting him by the sounds of things, and I'm not too sure whether there are many mid-sized goal kicking forwards that are ready made for AFL with respect to fitness, running around in the VFL. Christ, there are guys on our list that haven't been fit enough to consistently cut it at AFL level that haven't embarrassed themselves when given a chance.

A big pre-season starting tomorrow will be required before I pass judgement.

[KT31]

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Are all of the fitness queries based on comments made by the President of Noble Park?
If so, then I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. He's 24 and talented, there was at least one other club that was interested in drafting him by the sounds of things, and I'm not too sure whether there are many mid-sized goal kicking forwards that are ready made for AFL with respect to fitness, running around in the VFL. Christ, there are guys on our list that haven't been fit enough to consistently cut it at AFL level that haven't embarrassed themselves when given a chance.

A big pre-season starting tomorrow will be required before I pass judgement.

No by the fact he is 24 and no one has ever heard of him.
24 and talented, judgement reserved.
Afrter all big fish in littlke pond.
One club and based on comments, so we can't be to sure.
They could have sent a smolkie out and now be laughing at us.
I do hoipe I am wrong, chances are a one year contract and never heard of again.

[jeemak]

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No by the fact he is 24 and no one has ever heard of him.
24 and talented, judgement reserved.
Afrter all big fish in littlke pond.
One club and based on comments, so we can't be to sure.
They could have sent a smolkie out and now be laughing at us.
I do hoipe I am wrong, chances are a one year contract and never heard of again.

So fitness queries are based on the fact nobody (who considering talent scouting isn't really the domain of most if not all who've commented, doesn't matter) has heard of him?

As small as the pond may be in the EFL, for a 180cm player to kick 100 goals shows he's clearly talented. It's not a slouch league, arguably on par with the ammos as the best suburban league in the city. If he was a large fella, I'd agree but the guy has to be a handfull at his height to do that.

I'm pretty sure Essendon, as well resourced as they are have better things to do with their recruiting staff and football department than circulate false reports about a player they've tried to watch and develop over the last year, just to fool one or two clubs. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Chances are he will get the minimum draft contract, a lot of better credentialled players suffer the same destiny.

As Always Right has said, it's been touted as a thin draft. Take a look at our list and tell me we don't need a 24 year old that's capable of kicking a few goals. These types are normally offered up for trade for silly amounts in terms of compensation, so we may as well have seen what we could find in the lower leagues to supplement the shortfalls in that age bracket.

[boydogs]

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"just a quick story, if anyone noticed at pick #57 when the dogs took Tory Dickson, the bombers were dumbfounded and had no idea what to do when it came to their pick at #59? if you saw hirdy's face .. he was shocked and pissed off."

[Ghost Dog]

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I'm not burying him, I just worry that we seem to get scared into picking marginal players over where their real value is because of another team's potential interest. I just hope Shannon Grant is right.
As for Pods, I was never convinced we should pick him up and I'm still not bothered that we didn't. He's an average AFL footballer in an exceptional team.

Bit one eyed about the pods. He takes a good contested grab and slots them ; that's not easy to do at top level.
Grant is staking his future on his decision so I imagine he's not doing it lightly. Maybe paid overs, maybe not. Time will tell

[ratsmac]

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It's seems the dogs had planned to take a mature ager no matter what. BMac and Granty have inside knowledge of him so sometimes it's better the devil you know than the one you don't. And if it sticks one up the bombers as Stefoid says, well its worth it

[divvydan]

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Here's a short description from a regular VFL observer on Dickson

For me Dickson is a real mystery man at the moment. In the VFL back in 2009 when he was playing with Frankston under Shannon Grant he played as a high half-forward with good stints in midfield. He won their B&F, but decided against playing VFL in 2010 instead choosing to park himself at full-forward for Noble Park where he preceded to kick 112 goals for the season.

Only decided to give the VFL another crack after being coaxed through multiple meetings with Shannon Grant and allegedly James Hird telling him that Essendon would strongly consider him with a good season. So Dickson came across to Bendigo, albeit it late and without much of a pre-season and through minimal training was able to play as an effective forward pocket kicking 48 goals for the season. Now to me that shows two things. He has a fair amount of natural talent but he needs to have someone looking after him and making sure he is doing everything necessary to succeed in the AFL.

I do however think that Shannon Grant/Brendan McCartney would not have suggested drafting Dickson if he was not fully committed. With a good AFL pre-season and conditioning i believe he could be a 30 goal a season forward. He plays a bit like Brad Johnson in terms of style or perhaps Darren Jarman would be a better comparison. He has a real knack of making a goal out of nothing.

[stefoid]

Re: Pick 57- Tory Dickson

Here's a short description from a regular VFL observer on Dickson

edited.


I do however think that Shannon Grant/Brendan McCartney would not have suggested drafting Dickson if he was not fully committed. With a good AFL pre-season and conditioning i believe he could be a 30 goal a season forward. He plays a bit like Brad Johnson in terms of style or perhaps you know who or he who must not be named would be a better comparison. He has a real knack of making a goal out of nothing.

[EasternWest]

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I do however think that Shannon Grant/Brendan McCartney would not have suggested drafting Dickson if he was not fully committed. With a good AFL pre-season and conditioning i believe he could be a 30 goal a season forward. He plays a bit like Brad Johnson in terms of style or perhaps you know who or he who must not be named would be a better comparison. He has a real knack of making a goal out of nothing.

Voldemort?

[stefoid]

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Voldemort?

Voldemort didnt cause anywhere near as much heartache as you know who.