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  • The Underdog
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Aug 2007
    • 6872

    #16
    Re: Draft:

    Originally posted by gogriff
    As opposed to developing them for 4 years before they get regular games?
    If his fitness is as poor as some say though, is it going to take him a year before he can play AFL?
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    • Cyberdoggie
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 2859

      #17
      Re: Draft:

      Originally posted by strebla
      Our first selection leaves me pondering happy beyond that but Clay Smith ???? REAllY!!!!
      It's like choosing the Landcruiser instead of the Ferrari but perhaps we'll be going 4wd'ing more than we go to the track (if that makes sense!).


      I personally think this kid will get quite a reputation and will be very popular with supporters once we see him put his body on the line, it just seems like we made a bad choice now because he's not a flashy player, a hulking key forward, or a skillfull magician.

      I think it's a good pick for this year and hopefully with our better draft position next year we can look for the next Chris Judd or Adam Goodes.

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      • Dancin' Douggy
        WOOF Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 2876

        #18
        Re: Draft:

        Waylon Manson worth a punt anyone? Rookie draft?

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        • always right
          WOOF Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 4189

          #19
          Re: Draft:

          So we're happy about the gameplan that McCartney has been articulating but are then second guessing his selections of the type of player he believes we need to implement that gameplan. Just want to make sure I'm clear on this.
          I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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          • The Underdog
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Aug 2007
            • 6872

            #20
            Re: Draft:

            Originally posted by always right
            So we're happy about the gameplan that McCartney has been articulating but are then second guessing his selections of the type of player he believes we need to implement that gameplan. Just want to make sure I'm clear on this.
            I think it's more a query about the lack of footskills and pace in our team not being close to addressed with the first 2 picks. Maybe it's part of a long term plan and next year we'll hit up skillful players galore, but if Cooney can't spend a lot of time in the midfield then we have approximately 1 mid with any kicking penetration whatsoever and Griff can be a bit of a lottery at times going into the 50.
            Look, we'll all probably love Smith's aggression and attitude and it's McCartney's team and he'll live or die on selections like this but we still have serious deficiencies that need to be addressed (and hopefully will next year)
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            • LongWait
              WOOF Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 936

              #21
              Re: Draft:

              Originally posted by The Underdog
              I think it's more a query about the lack of footskills and pace in our team not being close to addressed with the first 2 picks. Maybe it's part of a long term plan and next year we'll hit up skillful players galore, but if Cooney can't spend a lot of time in the midfield then we have approximately 1 mid with any kicking penetration whatsoever and Griff can be a bit of a lottery at times going into the 50.
              Look, we'll all probably love Smith's aggression and attitude and it's McCartney's team and he'll live or die on selections like this but we still have serious deficiencies that need to be addressed (and hopefully will next year)
              The most serious deficiency was a game plan which relied heavily on skills which we repeatedly found couldn't be replicated consistently under extreme pressure. The coach is rectifying the deficiencies in the game plan and getting players who suit the new plan. You appear to want us to recruit for the old gameplan.

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              • the banker
                WOOF Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 453

                #22
                Re: Draft:

                Originally posted by LongWait
                The most serious deficiency was a game plan which relied heavily on skills which we repeatedly found couldn't be replicated consistently under extreme pressure. The coach is rectifying the deficiencies in the game plan and getting players who suit the new plan. You appear to want us to recruit for the old gameplan.
                ^^^agree
                WesternOval'61

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                • the banker
                  WOOF Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 453

                  #23
                  Re: Draft:

                  Originally posted by Cyberdoggie
                  It's like choosing the Landcruiser instead of the Ferrari but perhaps we'll be going 4wd'ing more than we go to the track (if that makes sense!).


                  I personally think this kid will get quite a reputation and will be very popular with supporters once we see him put his body on the line, it just seems like we made a bad choice now because he's not a flashy player, a hulking key forward, or a skillfull magician.

                  I think it's a good pick for this year and hopefully with our better draft position next year we can look for the next Chris Judd or Adam Goodes.
                  ^^^agree
                  WesternOval'61

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                  • The Underdog
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 6872

                    #24
                    Re: Draft:

                    Originally posted by LongWait
                    The most serious deficiency was a game plan which relied heavily on skills which we repeatedly found couldn't be replicated consistently under extreme pressure. The coach is rectifying the deficiencies in the game plan and getting players who suit the new plan. You appear to want us to recruit for the old gameplan.
                    Does the new game plan involve rugby mauling the ball into the forward line? I assume at some point we have to kick it to each other?
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                    • LongWait
                      WOOF Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 936

                      #25
                      Re: Draft:

                      Originally posted by The Underdog
                      Does the new game plan involve rugby mauling the ball into the forward line? I assume at some point we have to kick it to each other?
                      Don't exagerate my point and then denigrate it.

                      Kicking skills and ball-winning skills are not mutually exclusive. The players who will suit the new game plan will still need to be able to effectively dispose of the ball and ensure we keep possession. Unfortunately, execution of a game plan which relies on elite kicking skills under pressure was beyond us and, in fact, resulted in us losing possession too often.

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                      • chef
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 14624

                        #26
                        Re: Draft:

                        Originally posted by The Underdog
                        If his fitness is as poor as some say though, is it going to take him a year before he can play AFL?
                        Who are the some?
                        The curse is dead.

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                        • Greystache
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 9775

                          #27
                          Re: Draft:

                          Originally posted by chef
                          Who are the some?
                          Noble Park's president is one.
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                          • chef
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14624

                            #28
                            Re: Draft:

                            Originally posted by Greystache
                            Noble Park's president is one.
                            Which would made it over 12 months ago that he last saw him train?
                            The curse is dead.

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                            • Greystache
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 9775

                              #29
                              Re: Draft:

                              Originally posted by chef
                              Which would made it over 12 months ago that he last saw him train?
                              Not exactly, he did the preseason at Noble Park this year and only moved to Bendigo just before the start of the season.
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                              • chef
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 14624

                                #30
                                Re: Draft:

                                Originally posted by Greystache
                                Not exactly, he did the preseason at Noble Park this year and only moved to Bendigo just before the start of the season.
                                Smart move.
                                The curse is dead.

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