Match Committee - Round 3 vs St Kilda

[Before I Die]

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Purely from a match-up perspective for this week only, would Talia (more likely) or Roberts be any chance to come in and do a purely defensive role (most likely on a Stanley) just for the week? Keep Shaggy stationed on Tiprat, and free up Wood to play a more attacking role off half back, which would stop him from playing a defensive role on a much taller opponent that could carve him up in his present form. Lake would get Roo (with great help and cover from his defensive mates) and Markovic takes Kosi?

I'm not a big fan of putting a world of time into a 3rd string key forward but their threat can't be ignored either....Jack Darling is a '3rd string' key forward (by definition only - he is anything but 3rd string in actual perfrormance).

Tom Hill and Cordy could both be options as well, having played back at various times with Williamstown and/or in preseason practice matches. Both are 200cm like Stanley, of course neither won the Grand Final sprint like Stanley, but I think his height is more of a risk to us than his pace. If he does nothing, which is quite likely, then we could throw our height forward.

[Mantis]

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Purely from a match-up perspective for this week only, would Talia (more likely) or Roberts be any chance to come in and do a purely defensive role (most likely on a Stanley) just for the week? Keep Shaggy stationed on Tiprat, and free up Wood to play a more attacking role off half back, which would stop him from playing a defensive role on a much taller opponent that could carve him up in his present form. Lake would get Roo (with great help and cover from his defensive mates) and Markovic takes Kosi?

I'm not a big fan of putting a world of time into a 3rd string key forward but their threat can't be ignored either....Jack Darling is a '3rd string' key forward (by definition only - he is anything but 3rd string in actual perfrormance).

1. Stanley is a potato.... No use bringing in an unknown quantity to play on someone who has limited ability... It isn't like dud forwards go well against us.

2. Do we want Wood playing an attacking role give his inability to use the ball efficiently?

And Darling is more like a 4th foward... Behind Kennedy, Lynch & Cox/ NicNat.

[Bornadog]

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1. Stanley is a potato.... No use bringing in an unknown quantity to play on someone who has limited ability... It isn't like dud forwards go well against us.

2. Do we want Wood playing an attacking role give his inability to use the ball efficiently?

And Darling is more like a 4th foward... Behind Kennedy, Lynch & Cox/ NicNat.

Who would you match up on Stanley?

[Sedat]

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1. Stanley is a potato.... No use bringing in an unknown quantity to play on someone who has limited ability... It isn't like dud forwards go well against us.

I have a long memory of potatoes dominating one-off against us in the past - not only can I see it, but I fully expect Rhys Stanley to carry on that proud tradition this week if he winds up playing on the defensively out of form Wood who is 15 cms shorter than him. It might be a moot point anyway - we have to win the midfield battle to have any hope of beating St Kilda this week.

[Bornadog]

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I have a long memory of potatoes dominating one-off against us in the past - not only can I see it, but I fully expect Rhys Stanley to carry on that proud tradition this week if he winds up playing on the defensively out of form Wood who is 15 cms shorter than him. It might be a moot point anyway - we have to win the midfield battle to have any hope of beating St Kilda this week.

I bet we put Shaggy on him and Murphy on Milne.

[Mofra]

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I bet we put Shaggy on him and Murphy on Milne.

We probably will, but at some point should we gamble Murphy on Stanley?
I prefer Shaggy on Milne who in any sort of zoning play will be the Saints' most dangerous forward.

Gilbee used to take the resting ruckman and his rebound cut teams up.
Stanley is quick in a straight line but Murphy will be far too agile for him, and if Stanley gets anywhere near Lake he'll provide a chop-out anyway.

[Mantis]

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Who would you match up on Stanley?

Murphy or Wood.

If I was St.Kilda I would start Stanley in the ruck and throw McEvoy forward. While it may make them a little top heavy it would certainly unsettle our defence.

[Missing-Dog]

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1. Stanley is a potato.... No use bringing in an unknown quantity to play on someone who has limited ability... It isn't like dud forwards go well against us.

2. Do we want Wood playing an attacking role give his inability to use the ball efficiently?

And Darling is more like a 4th foward... Behind Kennedy, Lynch & Cox/ NicNat.

I would take that 4th forward option called Darling any day of the week though

Wood is obviously quick and very athletic but as you mentioned his disposal is not up to standard.. If only he had howards foot with his athletic capacity........ So to answer your question, I dont think wood can play that attacking role just yet, but I think we are going to persist.

So far we have Markovic on Kosi and Lake taking Nick. Dont like these 200cm guys! we always seem short against opposition sides in all areas of the ground! If only Mulligan could step up he would take the 3rd tall coming in!

[Rocco Jones]

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Whenever the 'top heavy' argument is bought up, fans of us having an extra fall forward bring up WCE. It's not height that makes you top heavy, it's a lack of mobility and/or quality.

[Ozza]

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I think Cordy probably has to come in and play in defense as he did late last year. Not that ideal - but he gives up a defensive match up on Stanley - and if St.Kilda's structure changes through the course of the game - Cordy can go forward, go in the ruck - or be subbed out.

[Sedat]

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I think Cordy probably has to come in and play in defense as he did late last year. Not that ideal - but he gives up a defensive match up on Stanley - and if St.Kilda's structure changes through the course of the game - Cordy can go forward, go in the ruck - or be subbed out.

Straight swap for Dickson? We would not lose any run and carry in that instance, as Dickson currently is a facsimile copy of Gia and Higgins (albeit an inferior version).

[Rocco Jones]

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Straight swap for Dickson? We would not lose any run and carry in that instance, as Dickson currently is a facsimile copy of Gia and Higgins (albeit an inferior version).

Addison is a bit like that down back. In terms of limitations, competition with talls as he doesn't offer run and carry and it's not like we can trust him to negate gun small forwards.

That's why the term 'top heavy' is all relative. Height isn't what makes you 'top heavy', it's lack of pressure/run, mobility and quality (ie over head marking, goal scoring danger).

You can have 4 KP forwards if they either create pressure and/or are goal scoring threats but 2-3 can be really top heavy if they aren't any good!

[Sedat]

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Addison is a bit like that down back. In terms of limitations, competition with talls as he doesn't offer run and carry and it's not like we can trust him to negate gun small forwards.

That is our current predicament - too much sameness in our mid sized players. To be fair to Addison, he had performed his role creditably thus far, and I could see him give Milera a torrid evening on Saturday. Milne is the danger - he could have a day out if given time and space. Murph got toweled up by Betts in NAB Cup and Milne is another step up from Betts as far as dirty, sneaky small forwards whp can find space go.

[Rocco Jones]

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That is our current predicament - too much sameness in our mid sized players. To be fair to Addison, he had performed his role creditably thus far, and I could see him give Milera a torrid evening on Saturday. Milne is the danger - he could have a day out if given time and space. Murph got toweled up by Betts in NAB Cup and Milne is another step up from Betts as far as dirty, sneaky small forwards whp can find space go.

Yep, Addison at least offers pressure on opponents. No tackles so far from Dickson.

[jeemak]

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Yep, Addison at least offers pressure on opponents. No tackles so far from Dickson.

Dickson's lack of tackling is a concern for me. I can only imagine the outrage from some of our supporters if Gia or Higgo presented such poor output versus defensive pressure!

At this stage I'm going for Cordy in, and Dickson out. Will see how fitness is for the group towards the end of the week however, this is the only change I'd make (aside from Smith for Sherman, perhaps).

Dickson hasn't demonstrated an ability to constantly pressure and be creative in his time on ground, and I'd suspect that is due to fitness issues. I think he's likely to be able to meet the standard eventually this year, though when I see a player hasn't laid a tackle over five quarters in this day and age I get the impression he's either lazy or not fit enough. I'm betting on it being the latter for now, and I hope I'm not proven incorrect.

I want to see us go with a tall structure this week, with Cordy playing solely as a forward meaning Roughead and Minson stay in the side. I don't want to see Grant used high up the ground leaving Jones getting slammed by two or three defenders on the back of our terrible kicking, without any relief from somebody over 6ft 2in.