Do we play another tall forward?

[Eastdog]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Shouldnt we determine whether any of our young big fellas are up to the task first?

Absolutely. That is the first thing we should do before looking at other alternatives.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Campbell to full forward for me. Can take a grab. Is a good size and build. Has a huge kick on him.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Campbell to full forward for me. Can take a grab. Is a good size and build. Has a huge kick on him.

I like what I saw of Campbell but surely there is some form of 'pecking order', Cordy has been around for a while and was put forward as a KP/Ruck.
Panos is probably the next in line in maturity?
Hill and Campbell would need some more time in VFL seniors?

I apply question marks because I do not know too much about these guys first hand...

[Eastdog]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Campbell to full forward for me. Can take a grab. Is a good size and build. Has a huge kick on him.

One match in the NAB Cup Campbell showed a bit. How about Redpath as well who has a big tank.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Sure there should be a pecking order. The order should be based on whoever's producing the goods in the 2nds at the moment, not on age or number of years on the list.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Sure there should be a pecking order. The order should be based on whoever's producing the goods in the 2nds at the moment, not on age or number of years on the list.

I dont disagree but as far as I could tell the order matched. How do you see the order currently?

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

We need an additional genuine KPF. As it stands and we have zero insurance if Jones gets injured. Within the current team selection Roughy or Minson would become our key forward, which would be wrong.

Cordy, Panos, Hill or Campbell need to be given the chance to assist Jonesy whether it be at FF, CHF or swapping. Cordy should be given first opportunity and a decent multi-game chance to gel with the team. Its not about winning the premiership this year unfortunately but developing a young squad and a high percentage game plan.

The ruck division is still Minno and Roughy, however, depending on the opponent, we decide who plays. Against West Coast play both, against Adelaide its just Minson etc.

Most other sides seem to be able to work a couple of key talls up forward,
ie Dawes/Cloke, Hawkins/JPod.
I think Jones is going to go backwards if we continue to try and use him the way we have this year, he needs another tall there to help, and if Roughead and Minson aren't getting there or providing that option then The others are the next logical.

It may mean that we have to swap a player like Dickson or Grant for that extra tall, as neither of these 2 are quite playing their role effectively enough at the moment.

[Bornadog]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

How about Redpath as well who has a big tank.

Have you read the updates in the Willi thread on Redpath? He is barely up to VFL standard at this stage.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Most other sides seem to be able to work a couple of key talls up forward,
ie Dawes/Cloke, Hawkins/JPod.
I think Jones is going to go backwards if we continue to try and use him the way we have this year, he needs another tall there to help, and if Roughead and Minson aren't getting there or providing that option then The others are the next logical.

It may mean that we have to swap a player like Dickson or Grant for that extra tall, as neither of these 2 are quite playing their role effectively enough at the moment.

Dickson was the one I had in mind, Grant played one of his best games Ive seen on the weekend. Second efforts and all. The guy has talent.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Any thought of Cordy coming into the side needs to be tempered with the fact that at AFL level his rucking skills are sub-staqndard and in this regard both Minson and Roughead are ahead of him. Cordy is easily outmanoevered in man on man in ruck duels.

People are missing the point that Minson contributed to our third quarter charge significantly on Saturday though his work at centre bounces which was a vast improvement on his efforts the week before

You talk about the 2nd ruck role as if it were exclusively about ruck work where in reality, when paired with a 1st ruck like Will, it will involve about twice as much time up forward than it will in the ruck.

Many fans talk about 2nd rucks 'pinch hitting' up forward when it should be the other way. When a 2nd ruck is paired with an old school out and out ruckman like Will, they are primarily playing forward while pinch hitting in the ruck.

Cordy would allow Will/Roughy to concentrate on spending virtually all their TOG in the ruck. Ayce would only have to spend 20% or so TOG in the ruck.

Dickson having 0 tackles in 5 quarters of footy means he is competing with KP forwards (in terms of limitations) as well IMO.

[Maddog37]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

I think Dickson showed a bit on the weekend and brings a bit of x factor.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

I can't see a reason not to try the old fashion FF, whether it be Cordy, Panos or Hill. If they can take 4 or 5 marks and kick as many goals haven't they done their job.

The big question is are they up for it.

[Eastdog]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Have you read the updates in the Willi thread on Redpath? He is barely up to VFL standard at this stage.

Sorry haven't read that thread a lot. From what you have said bornadog he will take a long time before he is even any chance of making the senior side so that option right now would be out of the question.

[Eastdog]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

I can't see a reason not to try the old fashion FF, whether it be Cordy, Panos or Hill. If they can take 4 or 5 marks and kick as many goals haven't they done their job.

The big question is are they up for it.

Out of those three to play FF wide would go for Matthew Panos.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Do we play another tall forward?

Out of those three to play FF wide would go for Matthew Panos.

Noted dead eyed dick in front of goal, or he was last year.